Interview with Col Joye (Legendary Australian Pop-Rock Singer)

Interview with Col Joye

Legendary Australian Pop-Rock Singer

Col Joye:

Do you still remember me? I am Colin Frederick Jacobsen, the Col Joye who was once active in the music scene. You might be unfamiliar with me, but many friends who have heard my songs and albums should still have some impression of me. Although I have not been active in public for some time, I hope you have not forgotten me so quickly.

In fact, my passing was around last August, but what you may not know is that I was already affected by illness at that time. My mental state was not very good, and I could no longer interact with everyone on screen or television. This time, as I appear before you, I do not have the opportunity to interact face-to-face, so I can only express my care for you through these words.

I have always met everyone in a cheerful and lively way, and I truly do not wish to speak of overly heavy topics. However, I must clarify these facts now, because after I passed away, I did not go to a very good place. Although I was a Catholic, I did not return to the embrace of the Lord as you might understand it. I am not sure if this Lord was too distant for me, or if the entertainment I created and brought to everyone in this life violated the Lord's will.

I have actually doubted this myself. After I passed away, I went to the hells to suffer punishment; I went to the heart-gouging hell. I have always been quite puzzled: why did I have to suffer punishment in hell? I brought much joy and laughter to people in this life, and I brought them popular songs. Did I do something wrong?

But thinking about it now, I have gradually come to understand where I went wrong, and I will not hide it from you. In fact, the songs I created were indeed not works that aligned with the right knowledge and right views. I did not understand these right knowledge and right views at first, but because I have been listening to Dharma talks at the Dharma-Nature Land for two or three days, I now have a general understanding of the criteria for these right knowledge and right views, and what the Truth of this world is really like.

Of course, when I was a singer in the early days, I did not understand this. I thought that as long as I could bring happiness to everyone, it was enough. I did not know that such music had such infectious power and the ability to shake people's hearts, yet its content encouraged people to pursue and satisfy their own desires, making everyone obsessed with this music and unable to extricate themselves. These things have the effect of confusing people's minds and causing their hearts to waver.

I understand now, because this human world is too full of suffering—so much so that any attachment to this world will make people unable to extricate themselves and trap them within it, unwilling to leave. Taking my few decades of life as an example, despite my brilliant achievements, my life ultimately had no direction. I did not know where I was going. I did not return to the embrace of the Lord, nor did I go to a good place; instead, I ended up in the heart-gouging hell to suffer punishment.

All of this stems from the fact that I did not help people walk the path of right knowledge and right views, but instead let people continue to be addicted to this music, addicted to this feeling that shakes the heart. The result of this is that I had to go to the heart-gouging hell to suffer punishment after death. In fact, long before I died, my spirit, and many of my three hun souls and seven po souls, were already suffering punishment in the hells. You might not understand what three hun souls and seven po souls are, but this must be explained starting from the structure of the human body. This is also what I learned at the Dharma-Nature Land of the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia.

The meaning of these spirits, the three hun souls and seven po souls, is that there are many sub-spirits within the human body. It is as if the soul can be divided into ten parts. Whenever I created works that harmed people, bewitched people, confused people's minds, or made people obsessed, some of my sub-spirits would go to the hells to suffer punishment. At the time, I did not understand and did not notice, but this caused my physical condition to deteriorate. I entered the hells to suffer punishment, but I did not know this while my body was in this world.

I knew my body had some illnesses and was constantly ageing, but I could not clearly know that my spirit was suffering punishment in the hells. It was only after I had completely passed away, went to the hells, and have now left the hells, that I can fully speak of this.

The reason I was able to leave the hells is that there is a temple in Australia called the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre. They are actively promoting Buddha’s teachings. The reason it is so special and can save spirits is because there is a very high-level, magnificent, and dignified Buddha here, called Namo Amituofo. He can help spirits escape the suffering of the hells, and that is why I had the opportunity to leave the hells.

Actually, at first, I was very confused. Why was it not the Lord who saved me, nor Mary? Why was it a Buddha? I had heard of deities from many religious faiths; how could it be a Buddhism that I had never come into contact with? At first, I did not understand, but now I gradually understand. In fact, for any religion, at the spiritual level, there is no difference. Everyone is a spirit, and everyone should help and save one another; there is such a responsibility.

Because Namo Amituofo is a very compassionate Buddha, a high-level spirit who cares deeply for everyone, he sees all spirits suffering. He cannot bear to see them suffer and hopes they can be saved so they do not have to continue to endure the torture of the hells. I was one of the spirits suffering in the hells, so Namo Amituofo saved me. After a few days at the Dharma-Nature Land, I am now much clearer in my whole being. I was originally suffering from the constant torture of having my heart gouged out in the dark hells. I originally thought this was a heart-wrenching nightmare, but now that I look back, I know that there really are order-followers in the hells who gouge my heart out from my chest. After I fainted, I was quickly revived, and the heart was gouged out again. I continued to suffer such misery. The suffering in the hells is very real; it is not any illusory realm, but a punishment with a strong and clear experience and feeling. Everyone must not try it lightly.

I know that as a senior in rock and pop music and a famous person, saying these things might shock everyone. But in reality, having suffered these torments, I feel I have an obligation to clarify these matters. Otherwise, if everyone is misled into thinking that pop music is good, or that these songs that attract and obsess people are good and helpful, then the problem is serious. I initially thought my music could heal people's hearts, but I did not expect that my music was not healing hearts, but disturbing them. Many people may not agree with this, but I must say that if anyone has any feelings after listening to my music—whether you like it or not, whether you feel passionate, relaxed, or have any fluctuations in your emotions—this is actually the influence of my music.

Truly good music, like Buddhist music and the Buddha-name, is music that makes the heart more peaceful and serene, rather than music that causes the heart to fluctuate, waver, rise and fall, or feel anxious, agitated, or excited. If music cannot make the heart stable, then it is music that causes harm to people. Speaking of this, perhaps you still do not fully understand: even if it makes the heart fluctuate, how is that considered bad?

Actually, to explain this in more detail, I want to share my observations with you. After I was invited to the Dharma-Nature Land, a large number of spirits who had grudges against me came to the temple together and surrounded the entire temple. I did not understand where these spirits came from at first, but now I know: they are the spirits I have harmed in the past. In my distant past, even many lifetimes ago, I have been a human, and I have also been various objects and animals. In fact, I have been everything. In this process, as long as there was any selfish heart in interacting with others, and I harmed others because of myself, I would form grudges with these spirits.

Once these grudges were formed, if they could not let go and wanted revenge, they would continue to follow me. Once I was born as a human, they would instantly gather in my body. So, before I passed away, there were actually many of these spirits with grudges gathered in my body, all waiting for an opportunity to take revenge on me. Once I passed away, they were forced to leave my body because the physical body had died. When I went to the hells, they could not find me. But once I was saved by the temple, as soon as they heard the temple calling my name, they instantly gathered at the temple to continue their revenge.

The depth of these spirits' hatred and the intensity of their desire for revenge really made me tremble with fear. I do not know why they hated me so much. The reason I am explaining these facts to everyone is to let you know that, in fact, every person, while alive, has a body full of spirits. Some of these spirits are resentful and have grudges, while others are peaceful. Actually, both types exist. Usually, they are in a state of hibernation and live in peace. Therefore, when people are young and active, they can maintain better physical strength and a good mental state because most of these spirits are in a state of hibernation and do not interfere with the person.

However, once a person begins to have emotions, begins to have fluctuations of the mind, begins to have preferences, aversions, and various other emotions, they will awaken the corresponding spirits with grudges. Because when I harmed them in the past, it was because of this same emotion or mental note that I harmed them, or kept them in constant pain. So, once they feel the same personality, emotion, or the mental note of harming others for our own sake, they will reawaken in the body. After they wake up, they will start to take revenge on the person.

This is why the music I created is harmful to people. Because once people hear my music, whether they feel passionate, excited, happy, sad, angry, or have any thoughts involving emotions, these fluctuations in the heart will awaken the beings within their own bodies. Once awakened, they will start to take revenge on everyone. This is the real reason why, as time passes, people age, their bodies gradually deteriorate, and they begin to suffer from illnesses.

When I was creating songs, performing, and singing, my heart also fluctuated countless times. So, as I aged, I also aged rapidly. In fact, I was able to live to eighty-nine, which is considered a long life. But what you do not know is that in the later stages of my life, it was no longer something I could control myself. Because I had awakened too many beings within my body, they were all ready to take revenge on me at any time. Several of my sub-spirits were already suffering punishment in the hells, while my main spirit was locked in my heart, and my whole body was being controlled by these spirits who made decisions for me. Every gesture, every expression, every word, every sound, every bright smile, every lively look—these were actually the spirits using my body to exert influence. So, you might think my life was brilliant, but in reality, for the most part, in the later stages, it was not me who could control my own body. At the most critical moments, there would always be spirits using this body to attract people, exert influence, and shake people's hearts. Even when I was creating and performing, these spirits participated in the birth of these songs. Now that I see this, I find it very terrifying.

It turns out that a person really cannot be autonomous. A person's life is neither long nor short. It seems like eighty or ninety years, but in reality, I could only use it for forty-something years. That is to say, after I was forty-something, I was completely locked in my heart and no longer had the ability to control myself. This is very shameful; I could not operate this body with my own will. And is the Col Joye that everyone worshipped or admired really me? In terms of the body, the Col Joye that everyone loved is indeed this body, but the spirits inside can be said to be dense and full of everything. So, is it the body of Col Joye that everyone likes, or the real Col Joye deep within the spirit? That is hard to say.

Speaking of this, my achievements are actually nothing to be proud of; after all, the achievements of this life were not accomplished by me alone, but are the result of the collective efforts of countless sentient beings within my body. To have made the magnificent achievements of this life, I had to rely not only on my own blessings but, to a large extent, on these sentient beings within me. Without them, the results today would not be the same. And the outcome after completing this journey was not taking away any glory or honour, nor any magnificent reputation, but going directly to the hells to suffer punishment.

In the hells, if not for theHsg Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia saving me today, I fear I would still be in the hells, with absolutely no opportunity to escape. In this era, those who truly understand the spirit world are very few. As far as I know, the religions I have heard of have never taught me these things. If I could have known the truth of these facts earlier, and known that there were immeasurable and boundless sentient beings within my body, perhaps the decisions I made in this life would have been different.

But as things stand, I cannot undo anything. I can only sincerely offer my utmost gratitude to Namo Amituofo, the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia, and the great practitioner here, Practitioner Su. Without you, I truly could not have escaped the hells; the suffering there is truly too intense. It is a pain that cannot be described by words in the human world; it is so terrifying. Who could imagine the pain of having one's heart gouged out repeatedly, over and over, with no end in sight? This is truly too terrifying.

And in fact, besides this heart-gouging hell, I have other hells waiting for me to suffer punishment, and I do not know when I will be able to escape. Thinking of this, I dare not think any further. In any case, I have now escaped, and I feel incredibly fortunate.

As for those sentient beings I have harmed, I also feel very sorry. As soon as they heard I had come out of the hells, they immediately pursued me. I understood that this must be a deep-seated hatred for them to be so proactive in wanting to drag me back to suffer punishment, not wanting to let me go for even a moment.

Hearing this, are you all also alerted? If one lives in this world without properly walking the path of Truth and the righteous path, and without conducting one's career in a way that helps people and makes their hearts stable, settled, and peaceful, then it is very likely that one will end up like me, entering the hells to suffer punishment after death.

Therefore, to understand these things, one must have Buddhist education; otherwise, who would know that such a truth exists? Now, it is also because Namo Amituofo saved me, and after listening to the Dharma talks by Namo Amituofo and Practitioner Su on the Dharma-Nature Land, that I finally understand the truth of the spirit world. Without Buddhist education and these teachings, I would never have known these facts. Even if I saw dense crowds of sentient beings, I would not have been able to connect or understand that their influence on the human body is so great.

But now I see it very clearly. Although I am not a great scholar or a research expert, I can clearly see the existence of these sentient beings. And I am now a spirit myself; what I am saying is based on the perspective of a spirit, reporting my current situation to everyone. If you are still in the world, you must seize the remaining time to properly learn what the spirit world is like. You need to confirm it properly; do not wait until you have committed sins and entered the hells to regret it.

I do not know if you are as fortunate as I am to be saved by the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia. This time, Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia has saved many famous people from all over the world. I was very fortunate to be on the list of those saved by the temple this time, and only then did I have the opportunity to escape the torture of the hells. If you do not have the opportunity to be saved, will you need to stay in the hells for a longer time? I am quite worried about everyone regarding this.

If you are interested in Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia or want to learn more, you can search for the keywords Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia on the internet. They are actually quite famous; they have been operating in Australia for a long time, and they have always been saving spirits. This saving of spirits is not a matter of a day or two; they have been saving spirits for many years, and their level of understanding of the spirit world can be said to be the best in the world. They are the experts of the spirit world.

If you want to understand and learn more about this related knowledge, you should contact the temple quickly. If you are half-believing and half-doubting about this, Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia is actually quite famous worldwide. On the highways in Brisbane, Australia, there are very large billboards set up, which say, Please often recite Namo Amituofo, to be free from ageing and sickness, and for the spirit never to die.

This Namo Amituofo is the abbot of the temple; he is the greatest Buddha radiating golden light, and he is also the highest spiritual life form in the spirit world. He can explain the details of the spirit world very clearly, and the Buddhist education he promotes is the true principle that can really help everyone escape suffering. The red Buddha on the billboard is his image, but in reality, the true image of this Buddha, as I saw on the Dharma-Nature Land, is many times more magnificent than on the billboard. He is not just an ordinary colour, but his whole body radiates golden light, and the subtlety of this golden light is not a single hue, but a seven-coloured golden light, which is truly indescribable. This cannot be described clearly by physical eyes or worldly colours, but you can imagine that he is a very dignified Buddha who inspires great respect. This respect-inspiring quality lies in the Buddha-light he emits, which is very warm and can warm the heart of every spirit.

And I, a spirit who originally suffered from the heart-gouging of the hells, gradually regained my strength and peace under the illumination of the Buddha-light, and those pains faded away. I am now very grateful to Namo Amituofo for continuously emitting light to help me repair this broken soul. Through the information on the billboards or the internet, you can know that this Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia is very famous and has helped many spirits. In fact, the temple pulling me up this time was not for anything else, but just hoping that more people can know about Namo Amituofo and Buddhist education.

Because Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia knows in the process of saving spirits that these spirits are all too miserable: after passing away, everyone has no place to go, whether entering the space of a grave or going to various places, they are all suffering in their own spaces and cannot escape. And most people like me are in the hells, which is even more extremely painful. Although the temple can save spirits from these painful spaces, they understand that this treats the symptoms but not the root cause, and is not the fundamental way. The fundamental way to solve the problem is to let everyone learn Buddhist education; starting from avoiding entering painful spaces is the true solution.

Once you enter those spaces, if no one discovers you and there is no opportunity to save the spirit, the time spent suffering will be uncountable. Therefore, the temple wants to start from the source and cut off the possibility of everyone going to painful places, which is why the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia is so actively promoting these principles.

So, my dear family, whether it is my wife, children, or my grandchildren, you must all listen well. Life in this world is short and bitter; it is not something that can be easily squandered. This life is very precious, and the preciousness lies in the fact that if you do not promote the Truth and the righteous path, and do not live this life according to the Truth and the righteous path, the result will be going to hell to suffer punishment. Do not walk this path. In fact, there are other choices in life, and you can still shine and be active in this world. Whether you want to do music or a career in the performing arts, you can actually actively promote the spirit of letting go of oneself for the sake of others and promote Buddhist education. This is not limited to any form; everyone can exert influence in their respective fields and let more people know about the Buddha’s teachings.

Although I do not force everyone to do anything, at least give yourself a chance to learn Buddhist education. You might as well search for Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia on the internet and understand these contents a little. If you are interested in further understanding, you can also come to find me. Although I have passed away, my spirit has not died. I am now even clearer than I was at the time of my passing, and I feel younger, not in the state of an elderly person. Here, there is Buddha-light shining at all times, and it is full of energy at all times; I feel very happy, relaxed, and my heart is also very peaceful.

If you are interested in this spirit world, you can come and chat with me. I still love you all and have not left you; it is just that I do not have a body now, so I cannot let you see me directly. Because of Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia, they have long-term experience in saving spirits and also know how to communicate with spirits. This message is the most direct information written down through communication between spirits. Whether you are willing to believe or are half-believing and half-doubting, it does not matter; you might as well try it, as there is actually no loss. The temple will not charge you any fees; this temple has always been helping people and is a true charitable cause. This is also the top-tier charitable cause I have ever seen, giving selflessly to both the spiritual realms and the human world, without calculating any cost and without any demands. You might as well have more contact with the temple; there will definitely be no loss.

That is all for today. Thank you to Namo Amituofo and Practitioner Su for giving me this opportunity to tell everyone the story of my life. Namo Amituofo.

Cole Joy