An Interview with the Spirit of Dolye Brunson
Recorded by 法寧
Date recorded 3 May 2026
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This is a record of an interview with Dolye Brunson, a former American poker professional who sought at the Hsiang Kuang Buddhist Centre in Australia. He now resides in the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss. This account reflects upon his life and his transition into the Buddha's light. Recorded by the chief writer, Fa Ning, on May 3, 2026.
Dolye Brunson speaks:
". It feels as though I have been in the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss for many days now. In this realm, a single moment can span many days in the human world. I never imagined that the world after death could take on such diverse and profound forms. My heart is filled with immense gratitude, deep reflection, and a sense of wonder as I gaze upon this magnificent world before me.
It has been nearly three years since I departed the human world. As a professional poker player, my career was not something many would consider worthy of admiration or worship. Yet, it was the very profession I relied upon to win everything I needed for my life. Today, I am being interviewed by a representative from the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre, and I intend to speak with complete honesty about my experiences and reflections. My life was a tapestry of good and evil, and sorrow, and countless moments of revelation. Now that I have arrived in the Western Pure Land, seeing through the illusions of my past has filled me with profound insights. To those who are connected to me by karmic affinity, please listen to what I have to say; perhaps it will bring you a different kind of inspiration."
"The distance between me and the Buddha—or rather, between me and the world of the Buddha—was originally vast. Yet, only a few years after my death, I was guided by a person from the human world known as Practitioner Su, along with Namo Amituofo, to the Western Land of Nature, and eventually to the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss.
Terms like 'Practitioner Su,' 'Namo Amituofo,' 'Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss,' and 'Western Land of Dharma Nature' were completely foreign to me. I had no concept of what a Buddha was. Today, however, I am filled with endless gratitude toward the Buddha. I am constantly moved by the Buddha's . The Buddha is equally compassionate to every single being; he did not abandon me or refuse to save me simply because my profession was not considered 'respectable' by worldly standards."
"When I first arrived in the Western Land of Dharma Nature, it took me a long time to adjust. For two or three years, I had been trapped within the space of a poker card. My soul was in a state of extreme suppression, unable to escape the confines of that space. The suffering was indescribable.
I had loved poker my entire life—I played for over sixty years—yet at the very end of my life, my true self became trapped inside a playing card. It brought me no joy or excitement; instead, I was shrouded in helplessness, loneliness, and darkness. My state of mind was one of constant struggle and despair.
I struggled desperately within that card space. My head spun with pain, and I longed to escape, to see the world outside. But no matter how hard I tried, my spirit remained in a space where I was at the mercy of others. Sometimes, I could feel the joy and excitement of the person holding the card; at other times, I could feel their frustration and heartache. My spirit was acutely aware of everything, and it was agonizing. That pain was perhaps akin to the despair felt by an opponent who had lost their entire fortune in a single game. I believe the two forms of suffering are quite similar."
"The moment I was able to find spiritual liberation came from a beam of light. It was incredibly warm. When it shone upon me, my heart instantly calmed. Although I was still within the space of the poker card, I had transcended the psychological torment I had been enduring. I heard the six characters 'Namo Amituofo' emanating from that light, peaceful and gentle, circling my ears like music. Someone was also compassionately and repeatedly calling my name, 'Dolye Brunson.'
I wondered to myself, 'If it were the Lord or Jesus coming to receive me, what is this sound?' I felt no familiarity with this voice at all. However, I trusted the light. Based on the faith I held throughout my life, I believed that brilliant light was the power of salvation. So, I decided to enter the light. Regardless of what it was, it had to be far better than continuing to suffer in the space of a poker card."
"Upon entering the light, I was immediately transported to the Western Land of Dharma Nature and found myself seated upon a large lotus seat. I was truly astonished. Everything here began to calm my heart, bringing me peace, harmony, and joy—an indescribable feeling of happiness. Yet, I did not understand why I had come here. Looking at the towering, golden-radiating Namo Amituofo before me, I thought, 'This must be a great saviour.' I once believed it was my Lord, but my intuition told me I had not arrived in the Lord's world.
After settling down here, I suddenly understood that people call this golden, radiant saviour a Buddha, named 'Namo Amituofo.' In the spiritual realms, Namo Amituofo is the greatest Buddha. I did not yet understand the Buddha, but he was very compassionate, giving me plenty of time to slowly guide me. He said to me, 'The Buddha is like your saviour; he has come to save you, too. Those who have a karmic connection with the Buddha, if they are willing to chant
"Sometimes, I think about how telling everyone about my life is truly a unique experience. The experiences I had in my life were incredibly rich, filled with ups and downs; I have encountered just about everything one could imagine. Fortunately, because I was a Christian, I did not stray too far in many aspects. I was still able to return to the righteous path—the path of thinking for others. Ha! Perhaps many would mock me: what could a poker master, whose life purpose was to defeat others, possibly have to say about thinking for others?"
"I certainly would not dare to claim that I did everything perfectly, but along the way, even though I earned a significant amount of money, I never forgot to help those in need. Therefore, I honestly followed the teachings of Christianity, which say that to be a person who loves to do good and give, one must take a portion of one's savings to provide material satisfaction to those whose lives are not as fortunate as one's own.
I truly had this mindset at the time. Because I had experienced so much, I had long since taken the concept of 'money' very lightly. Whether it was the flow of money at the poker table or the life-and-death separations I witnessed throughout my life, I gained a profound realisation: money may look like a lot, moving in and out, but when you truly encounter a crisis, money is often not the key to solving the problem. I always hoped that money could be used in the best and most useful places, rather than just sitting in my bank account. I loved seeing money achieve its highest potential, bringing smiles to people's faces."
"If I were to talk about my first encounter with poker, the truth is that when I was young, I had absolutely no interest in this industry. I had never thought about it, nor did I have any understanding of it. I once believed that I would definitely walk the path of a professional athlete. At the time, my physique and physical fitness were excellent, and I played basketball very well. I was even scouted by the NBA in the United States, with plans to recruit me as a professional basketball player. Relying on my height, agility, and extraordinary courage, I thought all of this would be a matter of course.
However, I never expected that an accident would shatter my leg. The injury was so severe that I could not walk normally, and my basketball dream was shattered right then and there. To earn money to support myself, I found a new path: I followed some brothers I knew and began the life of an underground poker player.
In the beginning, I once won a month's worth of living expenses in a single night, which led me to quit my job and become a full-time professional poker player. Just like that, I began my life as a professional poker player."
"Only I truly understood the bitterness and the joy of it. Because this was once an underground activity, it was hidden with many crises. Whether winning or losing, one had to abide by many underworld rules; otherwise, one could easily be eliminated from the poker table for saying the wrong word or doing the wrong thing. I witnessed various tragic situations—people being taken away or assassinated—which were common occurrences.
This was a very dark world, so I struggled through it for a long time. It was not until I finally stood on the international stage, no longer having to live such a heart-pounding life and being able to play poker openly and honestly, that I reached the peak of my life at that time.
There are wins and losses in life, and the poker table is certainly no exception. Everyone who walks in does so with the psychology of wanting to win every game, but they often end up in crushing defeat. Of course, I have also lost everything, but I quickly got back up. After winning many victories and establishing a certain foundation, I no longer worried about the possibility of losing."
"People might think that everyone at the poker table participates in these games with a fierce competitive spirit. That is indeed true; it is a world of extremely brutal competition. When I first joined, it was a very terrifying world. Many people lost their lives for no reason during games, and there were many gangs or unknown underground forces manipulating everything.
But honestly, I could feel it myself. As a Christian, I had this firm faith. This faith allowed my heart, in any game, to avoid the immense pain and contrast that my opponents felt. At the poker table, I was still a normal person who could think calmly. There is one more thing I have never told the world: I do not know why, but I always seemed to receive words from the Lord or Jesus during the games, just like the 'heart-to-heart' communication I mentioned earlier.
Of course, the Lord and Jesus would not tell me how to win the game, but the messages I received seemed to truly make my heart kind and stable. I could feel that my heart was indeed different from the hearts of other players, but I could not explain why, and I had no intention of telling the world about it. Anyway, I lived one day at a time. When I was a poker player, I would do my best, and I would be very optimistic afterwards. Whether I won or lost, I could still joyfully face the road ahead."
"I only felt that my heart was very close to the Lord and Jesus. Everyone just thought I was a devout Christian, but they did not know I had experienced this layer of spiritual stirring. I also once sent a message in my heart, asking the Lord and Jesus why they would care for me so much, often sending messages to soothe my heart?
One time, I actually received a reply to a message, telling me: 'Because this world of poker is truly too dark, I am simply communicating with your heart, hoping that you can bring a force of stability to this painful world. No matter how well you can do, just do your best. In this world that is not Good, you must persist in the kind thoughts in your heart and the intention to think for others. Do not take everything at the gambling table seriously; just treat it like a game.'
'But what is important is, during the process, how do you know how to soothe the heart of everyone at the gambling table? How can you let those who are addicted to it withdraw rationally, so they do not fall into crushing defeat, or even have to borrow huge sums of money to continue gambling, bearing immense pressure to pay off debts? People do not need to live such a nervous and painful life, but since they have reached this point, those who cannot turn back must also have an .'
When I received this message, which seemed to be from the Lord and Jesus, I felt it was a piece of Wisdom; it was not something I could have thought of myself. I once told my wife, but she was always half-believing and half-doubting, and she did not really take my words to heart. So, from then on, I never told anyone about my spiritual , and I could only secretly hope that these were truly words from the Lord and Jesus."
"However, even though I inevitably had to use many psychological tactics at the gambling table to win against others, or rack my brains to achieve victory, all of this—in light of the Buddhist education I have now learned at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre—was based on , satisfying the desires of the body, and was all an act of creating .
It is indeed true; everyone at the gambling table holds this mindset as they experience game after game. Fortunately, because I always felt this voice accompanying me, I kept a clear head. In this world full of danger, I still maintained a kind heart, did not dare to do things that violated moral foundations, and actively helped those who were hurt at the gambling table to stand up again.
But now, after arriving in the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss, all the mysteries have been solved.
After I arrived in the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I asked the Buddha: 'Was I really communicating with the Lord and Jesus before? Did this message and affirmation I could obtain in prayer really come from the Lord and Jesus?'
The Buddha looked at me with compassion, as if saying to me: 'Child, actually, that was not the voice of the Lord and Jesus. But all of this is in the past; child, do not dwell on it. Let go of the path you have walked. Chant "Namo Amituofo" to the end, and you will understand.'
I was shocked when I was in the Western Land of Dharma Nature. Then, who did this voice come from? After a period of purification, I finally saw the truth of this fact: it turned out that this voice did not really come from the Lord or Jesus. Although this was a message I received after praying to them, this message actually came from the beings within my body.
In the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I finally understood that everyone's body has layers upon layers of spiritual beings inside; some are Good, and some are evil. But Good and evil cannot be divided so simply; all of this stems from the laws of karma and cause and effect—if I had once shown kindness to others, there would be beings with good intentions toward me attached to my body; if I had once wronged certain beings, they would hide in my body with a heart of revenge, conveying unkind thoughts to me, making my body sick, or polluting my soul. When Practitioner Su of the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre explains all of this, he uses the terms , attached spirits, and demon crowds to explain the situation of the beings within people.
The series of questions I asked at the time, and the answers I received, actually came from the beings within my body. Fortunately, most of the beings within me actually still held good intentions. They did not want to watch me, like other players at the gambling table, step by step toward addiction and being unable to extricate myself, finally letting my body and mind fall, dominated by a heart filled with greed and avarice, even reaching the point where I would do anything for the sake of the game. They knew I had faith and moral foundations in my heart, so these so-called true spiritual friends within my body conveyed good messages to me one by one, hoping that in this grey world, I could still retain a kind heart and kind thoughts."
Namo Amituofo."
It was only then that I suddenly saw the light, and I thought to myself, 'So that is how it really is!' This is precisely why the Buddha’s teachings are so inconceivable. In the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I have been able to obtain many answers that I could never find throughout my life. Many of my confusions have been resolved, and the mysteries that once weighed on my heart have finally been revealed. The questions I held within—my various doubts regarding the Lord and Jesus—were actually answered by the Buddha Himself in the Western Land of Dharma Nature and the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss. This is why Practitioner Su always says, 'The Dharma is the ultimate high technology.' Having seen it for myself, I can confirm that this is absolutely true!
Throughout my life, I suffered from countless illnesses, especially cancer. Sometimes, through my prayers to the Lord and Jesus, I managed to escape danger, but in reality, it was the beings within my body who were in control. At other times, I would drag my sick body to the gambling table, continuing to fight for my life in those games.
Now that I see the truth of this spiritual realm, I know that everything I did was never truly under my own control. Many karmic creditors and demon crowds were involved in the process. There were also many beings who wanted to pull me back, hoping I would stop doing evil and move toward Goodness. Being pulled back and forth by so many beings throughout my life resulted in a journey that was a mixture of both good and evil.
The 'evil' I speak of is my addiction to poker, which is inherently a pursuit that causes the spiritual life of humanity to degenerate. The meticulous thinking, strategizing, observing, planning, and arranging required for such games—all the thoughts and intentions involved—were actually just to satisfy the desires of my own body and the craving for victory or defeat. All of this was conducted while my entire being was under the control of these beings; it was never truly a competition between me and my opponents.
The same was true for the wins and losses of the other players. It was simply a game played between crowds of beings. To the human eye, it looks like a contest between two people, or perhaps hundreds or thousands, but in reality, countless beings were participating in the background, all striving to achieve victory over one another.
When the beings were satisfied, the joy we felt was actually their satisfaction. When the beings were suffering, it was because we had lost the game, and we had to pay the price. The suffering in our hearts was no less than the suffering felt by those beings.
When people are not awake, they cling tightly to every sensation of the physical body. In doing so, they bind themselves tightly to the beings within them and continue on this path. The damage this causes to the human body and to society is immense. Many people become addicted, and if they do not know how to stop, they may turn this poker 'career' into a situation that destroys families and leaves people destitute.
Even if one justifies this as a hobby, the price paid is one's own life and spiritual life. Furthermore, like me, I spent my entire life treating this as a profession and even published many books teaching people how to strategize, study, and plan for poker. Tell me, is the karma created from this not incredibly massive? The answer is a definite yes!
Now, let us talk about the 'good' part. Although the profession I chose seems to be extremely evil in terms of the Dharma and the laws of karma and cause and effect, my heart was never truly bad. I always held a kind heart and wanted to help those in need around me. It was only because of my environment and Causal Conditions that I walked down this path of no return. Therefore, I still had some true spiritual friends or benevolent spirits guiding me forward. In my youth, I began to cultivate the habit of giving and helping others, which was something I learned from the doctrines of the faith I followed as a Christian.
I knew that the wealth I earned would last for many lifetimes, and I did not want to waste it on meaningless things. So, my wife and I would often drive to places where vulnerable groups were in need, giving back to society. When young poker players around me became homeless after losing all their capital, I would also extend a helping hand to relieve their distress. However, I made a mistake back then: I invested large sums of money into them, hoping they could rise again and re-enter the world of poker. In doing so, I unknowingly created great sins by pulling them back into this world filled with desire and greed.
Some of my so-called good deeds were known to the world, while others were not, but that did not matter. I have always been a rather open-minded person, and I did not really care whether people saw what I did.
As I mentioned, I suffered from countless illnesses throughout my life, and my body was quite damaged. By the end of my life, although I reached the age of ninety, I was truly just forcing myself to keep going. I knew that although I appeared very optimistic and strong, I was well aware that my body was collapsing step by step. I was just too busy with my career to stop and reflect. I only vaguely knew that I had survived one crisis after another through the messages I thought were from the Lord or Jesus.
When my life reached its end, my wife passed away before me. A few months later, I too departed from this world in great sorrow. At that moment, on my deathbed, my thoughts were still on the poker games I had been addicted to my whole life. Once that thought arose, I was immediately seized by those beings and pulled into the space of poker, beginning a lonely, helpless, and suffering spiritual life—which led to everything I described earlier.
In truth, this was only the beginning of receiving the consequences. My life had both good and evil, but the vast influence of the negative karma I created was unavoidable. As a well-known figure, I truly influenced many people. Those who walked the path of poker for a lifetime because of me or my books—I have to bear the karmic debt for them as well.
I was unaware of this at the time. Now, looking back from the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss, I realize that parts of my soul had long been suffering in the hells. That was the reason my body collapsed time and again, and why I developed cancer repeatedly, all while I remained completely ignorant. Over the decades, my soul gradually dissipated, and the only thing that remained with me was my 'true self.' Because of the intense, high-level thinking in my brain, I remained trapped within my own head.
After I died, this 'true self' entered the space of poker to suffer, while some parts of my soul were still suffering in the hells. This is what I can see now as I look back.
Therefore, the fact that the current Doyle Brunson can come to the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss is a truly magnificent and precious event!
From having no connection with the Buddha to now renewing my past affinity with Him—when I look back at my many lives, I see that I did indeed have deep connections with the Buddha many lifetimes ago, and I had even been to the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss in the distant past. Although I returned to the world with a heart to save beings, I was ultimately pulled away by karma and never returned to my old home in the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss.
Time and again, I was submerged by massive karma and the pollution of the red dust, until I became who I was in this life—a Doyle Brunson who lived a life of both good and evil, and who created great negative karma.
I once had a connection with this lay practitioner, Xu Lin, as fellow practitioners. That is why I am now able to receive his respect, and why he registered me for Chao Du, giving me this precious opportunity to be reborn in the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss. I hope that everyone who reads this account, just like lay practitioner Xu Lin—and especially those who have walked the path of poker with me—will understand:
Everything in this world, especially activities like poker that cause endless greed to arise in the heart, should never be indulged in. Do not let what your physical eyes see and your own desires blind you, causing your spiritual life to be polluted. This is a terrifying thing. Everyone is living in the midst of it without knowing, thinking they are living happily in this colorful world, but in reality, they are merely playthings in the hands of immeasurable and boundless beings and demon crowds. Every game, every thought, is being controlled by countless beings, and one does not even know it.
This was my situation before, and it is the situation of all of you now; nothing has changed. If you can see the path I have walked through my many lives, the miserable state I was in after death, and the truth of the spiritual world, you should wake up!
The spiritual world is something that most cannot understand, yet it has a massive impact on the human body. It is precisely because people have the sensations of this body that they cannot escape the interference of the spiritual realms.
Buddha and Bodhisattvas are different. I see that the heart of the Buddha and Bodhisattvas is completely unmoved, and they have no 'heart' [in the sense of worldly attachment]. Just like Practitioner Su here in the human world—I haven't had the chance to introduce him to you yet, but he is a truly extraordinary Buddha. He has realized his true nature and attained Buddhahood in the human world, yet his physical body remains here, continuing to act like everyone else. This eighty-two-year-old body has not aged at all; he is still so full of spirit, giving Dharma talks to the world and spreading the philosophy of the Buddha’s teachings. For decades, he has worked from one or two in the morning until past ten at night without ever feeling tired. When I was in the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I had already begun listening to Practitioner Su’s lectures. Listening to them time and again made my heart very clear, allowing me to understand many truths of the universe and the truth about my own body.
"If you have the opportunity, I urge you to search for the 'Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre' online. This is the only place in the human world that can truly help you bypass the agonizing cycle of birth, aging, sickness, and death. Why? Because here, there is an awakened being who has attained Buddhahood—someone whose spiritual level surpasses even that of Jesus Christ, whom many of you know. This being can see through the essence and the absolute truth of all things, which is why they are able to explain these profound realities to you."
"Let me share something truly remarkable: even God and Jesus were guided to the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss by Practitioner Su of the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia. Originally, God and Jesus resided in the eighteenth heaven of the heavenly realm—the very place described as 'Heaven' in Christianity. However, because Practitioner Su has realized his true nature and attained Buddhahood, he possesses the same high level of spiritual wisdom as Namo Amituofo. He can freely travel to and from the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss, and naturally, he has the capacity to guide all sentient beings with karmic affinity from the ten directions to be reborn in the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss."
"The Buddha’s teachings are truly profound! Although my friends in the United States and many of you might feel that you are far removed from the Buddha’s teachings, was I, Doyle Brunson, not in that exact same position just a few weeks ago? Back then, I was merely an ordinary person. Today, although I have not yet fully transcended to become a saint, after undergoing several weeks of purification, I am a completely different person from the Doyle Brunson I once was!"
"Living a spiritual life is a truly unique experience, and I want to share this with you. As I look around now, I see that no one is truly utilizing their own spirit. Everyone is trapped within their own physical bodies, used by the endless, swirling thoughts and desires within. From the perspective of the human world, this is a great tragedy. How many people realize that this body can be used to 'borrow the temporary to find the eternal'? You can use this temporary physical vessel to practice, to let go of all the sensations and attachments of the body, and to elevate your spirit. By doing so, you can reach the same state as a Buddha, possessing all Wisdom, virtues, and auspicious characteristics! Even today, many brilliant top-tier scientists are exploring the truths of the universe, yet it seems no one has been able to crack the absolute truth of this reality."
"I was surprised to find that another American had arrived in the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss with me—none other than former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, whom I was very familiar with. It is truly a special karmic connection that we both earned the respect of Practitioner Su. I have always believed that Mr. Jimmy Carter was an exceptional former president. He was kind, approachable, frugal, and down-to-earth. I often heard stories of him flying in economy class on ordinary commercial flights to travel across the globe, working on peace negotiations and humanitarian efforts. This deeply touched my heart. Among all the U.S. presidents in history, no one else was as kind and simple as Mr. Carter. Now, he and I both have the opportunity for spiritual sublimation; we no longer have to wander as spirits in the ghost realm. I feel truly happy for him."
"Everything I have said today is a sincere expression of my own feelings. Arriving in the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss is truly not a simple matter, so I am deeply grateful for this opportunity to speak a few words to you all. From a devout Christian to someone now following in the footsteps of Namo Amituofo, I sincerely hope that my family, friends, and everyone who knew me in the world will have the chance to understand the Buddha’s teachings. Although this may seem difficult—especially given the environment in which I grew up, where such opportunities were scarce—I firmly believe that because Namo Amituofo is currently residing in the world, specifically at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia, as the Buddha’s teachings gradually spread, they will surely reach the land of the United States."
"There are many people in the United States who study Buddhism, but they have not had the opportunity to encounter the true Buddhist education that the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre provides. Many are only learning the surface-level teachings. While these may comfort the body, mind, and spirit, and perhaps help people lead a smoother and calmer life, they cannot help one escape the cycle of birth, aging, sickness, and death. They cannot help one reach the state of being free from aging, free from illness, and ensuring the spirit does not die."
"All of this depends on the spiritual education provided by the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia, which is the only way to truly follow the 'Universal Principle, the Truth, and the Right Way.' This is of the utmost importance! Because I did not understand and could not follow these principles during my life, I experienced a life filled with mixed good and evil, ultimately leading to and suffering. If you can learn about the Buddha’s teachings earlier, you can avoid the many detours I took. Finally, I, Doyle, kneel sincerely before the Buddha once more to express my gratitude to Namo Amituofo and Practitioner Su. Thank you for this karmic condition, for guiding me to the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss. I will certainly repay the Buddha’s kindness by practicing diligently. I hope that one day, I, too, can save all sentient beings with whom I have a karmic affinity. Thank you all. Namo Amituofo. Doyle Brunson."
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