The Vast and Crowded Space Within the Human Body

This is a record of an interview with the Primordial Demon Hanta, who sought to be saved at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia. He now resides in the Western Land of Dharma Nature. This account reflects upon his existence spanning approximately 7.83 sextillion years. Recorded and transcribed by Namo Amituofo’s disciple, Venerable HaiZe, on February 25, 2025.

Primordial Demon Hanta speaks:

"Namo Amituofo. I am Hanta, and today I accept another interview from the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre. Practitioner Su has given us a topic: 'How vast is the space within the human body?' This is a truly fascinating subject.

To be honest, in my 7.83 sextillion years of life in the Demon Realm, I am not entirely unfamiliar with the human world. I have visited the planet where Earth now resides. About 7,000 sextillion years ago, I visited that location—it was not called Earth then, but the 'Wittebo Planet.' Even then, humans existed. It seems that planets in this specific location share a unique characteristic: they all host human life.

The Advanced Beings of the Past

The humans of that era appeared much sharper than those of today, and their bodies possessed high-level technology. The human body is indeed a very unique life form. It seems human existence has spanned over 7,000 sextillion years. That was a high-tech planet, which likely underwent destruction—a planetary explosion—before new ones were formed. This is the cycle of planetary replacement. The previous planets did not look like the current Earth. It takes a demon who has lived long enough to be able to speak of such things.

At that time, I had some understanding of those high-tech human bodies. They did not rely heavily on material existence. Instead, they often used thought power to accomplish tasks. This indicates that the humans of that time were very purified. Just like humans who practice purification today, they could manifest their innate abilities. What you call 'technology' is, based on the information I have gathered, humans using their own experience and inventions to manufacture products to help them complete tasks. But higher-level humans do not need technological products; they can use their innate bodily abilities to do things that technology cannot. Such humans lived pure lives, free from the need for many material things, and were able to manage themselves perfectly. This is what Practitioner Su calls living a life where the body is the 'technology of technologies.'

The Murky State of Modern Humanity

The beings on the planet at Earth's location back then were exactly like that. It was a high-level planet; I even saw life forms with abilities like Practitioner Su. Could that planet have been a Buddha-land? That is my guess. In any case, the people back then were much simpler and kinder than the humans on Earth today.

Looking at modern humans from my current vantage point in the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I must be honest: your bodies are very murky. 'Murky' means the body lacks light and instead appears filled with many dark, heavy spirits. You cannot see this with your physical eyes, but we demons can see it very clearly. I don't even call myself a demon anymore! Although my name still carries the word 'demon,' my temperament has changed significantly. I am much gentler, kinder, and I speak the truth. In the past, as a demon, I would stop at nothing to achieve my goals, always hiding behind deceit. Now, I only speak the truth.

What I want to express is that I see the bodies of Earth's humans as very murky, densely packed with the presence of other lives. When compared to the state of the life forms within Practitioner Su's body, these are two completely different situations—different spaces. The magnetic fields emitted by the spirits on the fourfold assembly of disciples are mostly dark; some are even similar to us demons. Those that are not as black as demons are still not pure white, but greyish. This is the environment where ghost realm beings exist.

The Connection Between Heart and Light

The conclusion is that our hearts are connected to the light emitted from our bodies. There is a reason why the ghost realm is called the ghost realm. It is because they lack the light of wisdom in their hearts, emitting only grey light, so their entire magnetic field is grey. They do not possess the bright, pure, and joyful magnetic field that Practitioner Su has. For us demons, we are very clear about the light we carry. Especially for ancient demons, it is definitely black light—shining black. Only then can we subdue our 'demon children and grandchildren.' This is a natural formation, indicating that our hearts are extremely dark and evil. With such a foundation, the longer a demon lives, the brighter their 'demon light' shines.

This is related to the 'Eight Consciousnesses and Fifty-One Mental Factors' often mentioned recently. For demons to be like this is truly not a good thing, though at the time, I considered it an honour in the Demon Realm. Seeing your demon light, others would respect and fear you, knowing you were a senior ancient or old demon. But now, looking from the Western Land of Dharma Nature, such a demon is seen as having committed countless evils, and the end result of facing karmic retribution is miserable. In fact, this is why I was always in samadhi. Almost all demons as old as I am are in samadhi!

Therefore, the fact that Practitioner Su's Buddha-light can sweep into the deep spaces where we reside and bring us to the Western Land of Dharma Nature is his achievement, because we inhabit very deep spaces. Aside from a Buddha, no one else has such ability and energy. This is something we ancient and old demons are very clear about.

The Impact of Diet and Practice

Looking at the space of the human body, it is a murky space for most people. Logically, a body that has undergone purification through practice should have a better space. Many evil thoughts or thoughts of harming others should be replaced by precepts that help the body gradually recover its original brightness. Let me take a look right now at whether there is a difference between those who practice and those who do not.

In terms of the body, there is a huge difference. Comparing those who used to eat meat to those who now eat vegetarian food, the body's condition is vastly different. The animal spirits from before emitted a lot of foul energy, while the spirits of the food eaten now are much purer and gentler, though they still carry some foul energy. If the food has had the Buddha's name chanted over it, it looks better; these spirits seem more calm. In fact, it seems that anything with volume, a shell, or a form has a spirit! And not just one. Plant bodies are like human bodies; they also store many spirits! If I look closely, like the bread you often eat, it is made of flour. Oh my, every grain of flour is a sentient being. So, how many beings do you consume in one loaf of bread!

Fortunately, I do not eat bread, but I can absorb the energy from human bodies. Of course, now that I am in the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I do not need to do that. The Buddha-light energy here is abundant and of the highest quality, keeping us very spirited. Moreover, this spirit carries a peaceful and joyful state of mind—this is truly not easy to come by! If demons enter to absorb your energy, they mostly absorb dark energy, which matches them well. I do not do such things; I was sent directly from the Dharma Realm planet to the Western Land of Dharma Nature by the sound of Practitioner Su's chime. Therefore, I have not entered human bodies. But from the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I see clearly that many demons enter and absorb a lot of energy—energy that matches your personalities, which is quite murky.

The Suffering of the Main Spirit

However, to be honest, there are differences. On the bodies of the fourfold assembly of disciples, I see some that are relatively pure, while others have beings entering at any time. Such bodies often appear drowsy or in a state of 'entering space.' But there is a special situation: we see that in some human bodies, external beings enter, while in others, internal beings emerge to offend the 'Main Spirit.' That Main Spirit is like someone unarmed, forced to take a beating! It looks quite pitiful. Perhaps because I have been in the Western Land of Dharma Nature recently, some compassion has been stirred in me.

I also see that the Main Spirit, in past lives, did things to harm others, and now it is all returning to them. Heavens! This is called cause and effect. If everything we did in the past returns to us, what can we do? This is terrifying! The evil deeds we committed, in human terms, were too horrific to look at. I see that some of the Main Spirits in your bodies are currently experiencing this. Those who beat others are now being beaten; those who kicked others are now being kicked. And this is just the minor stuff; the main issue is life and death. Those who took lives are now having their own lives taken.

However, with the Dharma protectors here, they might show some mercy. Practitioner Su treats every one of you in the fourfold assembly like a treasure! You are living in blessings without realising it! It is truly so. Do not underestimate Practitioner Su's striking of the chime; at that moment, many beings enter the chime. This saves your bodies from much suffering. We see this very clearly. Do you realise how much karmic fortune you have? If I had met Practitioner Su earlier, perhaps I would not have committed so many evil deeds.

The Power of Dharma Lectures

Practitioner Su's ability to lecture on the Dharma is truly extraordinary. He often resolves the doubts or misunderstandings in our hearts. No wonder many demons who initially disliked listening to sutras, thinking they were just grand theories, end up listening. I have seen some demons listen once, then come back for a second and third time. I see it very clearly from the Western Land of Dharma Nature!

Many of these demons are strange-looking. Practitioner Su calls them 'heterogeneous demons.' Demons are like humans; each has their own personality. Those who become heterogeneous demons show their personalities through their appearance. Some have the shape of oxen, some horses, and some even have wings. This is what the Buddha's teachings mean by 'appearance arises from the mind.' But these demons seem to understand Practitioner Su's lectures, so I see those who come to listen multiple times eventually enter the Dharma-Nature Land. The power of the Buddha's teachings is truly profound and potent!

Returning to your human bodies: the human body is a very, very large space. Take Practitioner Su, for example; his body is a Buddha-land, so bright, so bright. Many beings inside are sleeping. This is not like your 'drowsiness' or 'entering space.' The beings inside Practitioner Su's body are sleeping peacefully and calmly, without any evil thoughts. But your state of drowsiness and entering space is not so good. The beings inside seem to be lining up to demand their lives—it is a bit scary! If I had looked at this in the past, I wouldn't have found it scary; demon nature is just like that, and when beings seek revenge, they often manifest demon nature. But looking at it now, this body is truly suffering.

Turning the Heart

This means my heart has turned! It is not simple. With the bathing of Buddha-light and listening to Practitioner Su's lectures, my demon heart of over 7,000 sextillion years has been turned. So, if you listen to Practitioner Su and chant Namo Amituofo diligently, you will certainly not be as miserable as you are now. Why do I say this? Because I have seen that Practitioner Su's body is filled with the Buddha-name at all times—the name 'Namo Amituofo.'

During your Thrice Yearning Ceremony, we in the Western Land of Dharma Nature can hear your chanting very clearly. Each of you chants with a different heart, and the Buddha-name you sing is different. From the sound of your singing, I can tell exactly what kind of heart the fourfold assembly is using to chant! It is very easy to distinguish! Some chant with the heart of 'Why isn't it over yet?', just chanting along. Some visualise while chanting, but as Practitioner Su says, the visualisation disappears halfway through, leaving only the name, and eventually, even the name disappears. In the end, you close your eyes, move your mouths, and just follow along.

The most precious thing is that only Practitioner Su chants from beginning to end, delivering sentient beings the whole time. He is truly the only one holding on from start to finish. Many of the fourfold assembly collapse. Some sleep and wake, wake and sleep. Some have good energy for a moment, then enter 'space' again. When they wake up during the break, they are energetic, but when they enter the hall, their eyes close again. What we see is that the energy in your bodies fluctuates. When the Buddha-name is chanted well, the energy in your bodies is quite good; this must be the blessing of Namo Amituofo. The energy within Buddha-light is the highest quality. If you can receive it, if you are bathed in Buddha-light, your spirit should be full. It is the same meaning as us demons in the Western Land of Dharma Nature receiving Buddha-light.

The Obstruction of Karma

We can also see that when those who chant with sincerity do so, the beings on their bodies can feel their sincerity, so many enter the Buddha-light in front. Some just chant and chant, eyes closed, heart seeing no light, without sincerity, so their beings are just like them—chanting along, hearing a few sounds, and then turning their heads and leaving, entering their own spaces. The result is that the beings remain in the body! We often see people complaining about soreness or pain in certain areas because they are blocked by beings; many beings are concentrated in that area. This is what is called poor blood circulation, or 'qi stasis' or 'blood stasis.' In human terms, there is energy stagnant in that area, affecting blood circulation and the body's circulation.

This is not a good thing for the body. The body has many cells, and inside the cells are many beings! Some are very, very small, and some are very fierce. Looking at where they are, these are all spirits, all ghosts. Many gathered beings are there to collect debts, so their energy spreads outward, making the obstruction or pain even more severe. If the beings seem to be chanting more, and the body is chanting well, the beings seem easier to talk to, and their personalities are not as intense. This must also be the influence of Buddha-light! Such human bodies show a gentler light.

The evil bodies I mentioned earlier emit light and manifest spirits that are relatively stubborn, or beings that do not want to listen to what you say—this is called 'subjectivity'! My absorption ability is very strong; I know these terms used in the human realm after hearing Practitioner Su say them a few times. Actually, I knew them the first time. Learning these human terms is not difficult! But the difficult thing is to have no thoughts, to not do evil, and to become a Buddha! That is truly challenging. Of course, for those who have already achieved it, they have escaped these painful spaces; no wonder I always see Practitioner Su smiling.

The Power of Virtue

Practitioner Su is a person of great merit and majestic power; that is why even we old and ancient demons respect and fear him. The word 'fear' is used well here; it includes the meaning of being afraid. To be able to subdue demons, it is not about how much physical force you use. Demons have plenty of power. They use demonic power and evil force to win. But Practitioner Su uses virtue and merit to subdue demons. Because demons have no virtue to speak of. If you talk about virtue, demons can do nothing, just as demons do not talk about cause and effect. If you talk about cause and effect, nothing can be done. Yet, in fact, these are the two things that cause demons to suffer heavy pain and have no one to save them.

To be honest, being crushed under a mountain, or the wailing of spirits when melted by magma, or becoming insects, flying bugs, crawling on the ground, or flying in the sky—they are all in their own spaces, not knowing suffering, not knowing they need to leave suffering. They all have spirits and bodies, but they have no opportunity to practice, cannot break through, cannot become Buddhas; unlike the human realm, where you know suffering, need to practice, can break through, and have the opportunity to become a Buddha.

The Aging Body

How vast is the space of the human body? The condition of the human body we see now is that the space is very, very large. Even though it is so large, it is also very crowded, with almost no gaps. Even in the bodies of children in the human realm, the space is just as large. Although the size of the human body seen by the naked eye varies, the older a person gets, the more the body shrinks, and the more space there is inside. It looks like there is more space than in a young person, and most of it is occupied by unfriendly beings.

So, this is what birth, aging, sickness, and death are all about. In an aging body, the light in the space is darker, and the energy is weaker. One thing we demons pay attention to is light and energy, because this is closely related to our survival. It seems this is also a universal principle, the Truth, and the Right Way. If it is a Buddha or Practitioner Su's Dharma Body, it looks very tall and very bright; they are pure and good spirits. So, this is the situation. As for demons and humans, one is a spirit, one has a body. The older the demon, the taller the form, and the darker the light emitted—it is murky energy. But for the human body, the older the person, the smaller and more withered the body, the more beings there are, and it even leads to sickness and weakness.

Looking at it this way, if a spirit can make a choice, of course, it should become a Buddha! A Buddha's form looks much taller and larger than humans and demons. Therefore, what I have heard during these days in the Western Land of Dharma Nature is that Practitioner Su's body is attacked by demons, and he brings them to the Western Land of Dharma Nature. This is Practitioner Su's compassion. Only here do we have the opportunity to have a bright body and energy, and only then can we become Buddhas. Demons should wake up and stop attacking Practitioner Su's body. Many times, you must see the truth of things; the most important thing is to stop letting yourself continue to commit evil and crimes. I am making this public and stating it positively because I cannot shield demons out of selfishness; on the contrary, I must teach and remind them—save as many as I can.

The Path to Liberation

If you really want to save the immeasurable 'demon children and grandchildren,' the ancient and old demons must first save themselves! Replenish the light and energy in your bodies, do not touch the evil karma you did in the past, and practice diligently. Now, this is all that can be done; what is done is done, and only by receiving retribution can these karmic debts be offset; otherwise, they will exist forever. This sounds like a truly terrifying thing. Fortunately, we are in the Western Land of Dharma Nature now; if we can practice until we become Buddhas, then we won't need to suffer anymore. A Buddha wants to save every sentient being, let alone the beings we harmed before; this is something that should be done even more. I truly want to thank Practitioner Su for letting us see this clearly and letting us know what to do.

How vast is the space of the human body? Very, very large. We demons can shrink ourselves to be very small, or expand to be very large. In the Dharma-Nature Land, our spirits are locked on lotus seats and cannot go anywhere else, so we can only enter samadhi to observe human bodies. We have not yet realised our true nature and do not have the ability to manifest in countless forms. I wanted to enter the space of the human body to see the so-called 'spiritual attachment' of demons, not to enter to absorb the body's energy, but to explore the human body and see just how vast the space is.

I see every cell, large and small, with different spaces. Of course, large cells have large spaces, and small cells have small spaces. But this is from my perspective. I can read the beings inside; not one thinks they are in a small space, which shows that beings have a lot of personality. To the beings, the size of the space they occupy seems to represent their status and position; this is what the beings inside told me. But some beings also said they are very crowded and living bitter lives. The cells where such beings exist appear murky. It seems that different cells contain beings with different 'Eight Consciousnesses and Fifty-One Mental Factors,' which is very reasonable. It is just like the human realm; the energy and magnetic fields emitted by people with different characters are different. For demons, those with deep skills can enter the space within the space and are not easily found.

The Importance of Health and Purity

This situation also exists in the space of the human body. Every internal organ has its own space, which is also quite large. If the internal organs are sick, you can see beings existing within the space, including demons. The influence caused by such demons is more profound. The negative energy they possess is stronger, and the aging speed they manifest is faster; this belongs to the category of serious illness. It turns out that whether a person's body is healthy is related to the beings and space inside the body.

The outer layers of space are easier to 'invite' beings out of; with one shine of Buddha-light, they can be taken away. If it is the beings or demons in the deeper internal organs and bone spaces, they often need to be invited many times before they can be brought out. They entered the body very early, their desire for revenge is stronger, or their demon heart is more ruthless, causing more serious illnesses or problems.

Therefore, if you want to resolve this or invite them out, you must have sufficient skills and ability to move them. If this situation happens to ordinary people, they have no chance to invite them out; the human body can only be slaughtered and manipulated by them, which is very painful and can even lead to death. I have already seen people in your group with this condition. Please pay attention, everyone; this is what I see. Whether you can have the opportunity to transform your karma while you are in this Buddha-land depends on whether you listen and how you act.

Cells can be divided into new cells and cells with a fixed quantity. New cells are constantly updating; cells with a fixed quantity do not update, and the quantity is maintained throughout life. What I see is that the cells in the head belong to this category. They exist in different spaces and do not cause interference or obstacles to each other. The best state is for cell division and growth speed to remain natural and normal, and then die, without being interfered with by other external negative energy—that is, not being affected or interfered with by karmic creditors—then such a body and cells are healthy.

If the number of normally functioning cells decreases, it means the body is aging or sick. If the speed of information transmission in the head cells slows down, it belongs to aging cells.

The Only Way to Stop Interference

I see that many of you already have signs of darkness or pain. If you do not stop the beings in time, the symptoms will continue, and of course, it is you who will suffer. If you want to stop the appearance of beings or the interference with cells, the only way is to transform them into kind and purified beings. However, your transformation speed is too slow, and not only have you not let them be purified, but you have also added much pollution. However, I believe that since you are practicing in a Buddha temple, the speed of pollution must be much slower than outside. People outside are polluted quickly, and there is no purification or kindness to speak of, because the outside is a world of desire, which matches the demon heart—a world where demons can run rampant. This is also the reason why people today are controlled by demons.

In the Buddha temple, desire is seen through. Usually, Practitioner Su lectures on the Dharma, explaining it too clearly, but how many of you understand? This is also something that makes demons feel more at ease, having the opportunity to interfere; demon nature is like this. However, for demons to interfere, your hearts must match the demon nature; otherwise, they cannot interfere. It is like Practitioner Su being interfered with by demons from all directions and realms 24 hours a day, wanting to defeat him; this is demon nature. They do not understand Practitioner Su, nor do they want to know cause and effect, and even less do they want to surrender, so they constantly use 'magic.'

Under these circumstances, have they defeated Practitioner Su? No. On the contrary, the more Practitioner Su is attacked, the stronger, more determined, and happier he becomes. I often hear Practitioner Su say: 'I've earned it! My 81-year-old body can still save so many demons; it's too valuable!' At first, we were stunned when we heard this—how can there be such a person? To be attacked by us like this and still say such things. Later, we finally understood; this is called wisdom, and also compassion. Only someone who thoroughly understands demons and truly wants to save them can say such things. Otherwise, I think if 100 people were attacked, 99.9 would immediately retreat and not dare to continue, let alone subdue demons.

The Unique Blessing of Hsiang Kuang

The point I want to make is that many people, including everyone present, are 'karmic bodies,' that is, beings of karma. But because the place you are in is so special—it is unique in the entire universe, just this one, and it is the only Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre on the entire Earth. There is Namo Amituofo, there is Teacher Xia Lianju, and there is Practitioner Su in this temple. They are watching you at all times, reminding you how to improve your own problems so that you can progress and realise your true nature. If those with great karmic fortune and great wisdom listen, they save themselves.

In my opinion, you still need to be more diligent, because we have understood many things, but you have not, so it depends on how you act next. After all, you have a precious human body; we have no body, only spirits. We lack the interference of the body's beings, so our comprehension should be faster! And you still have to struggle and fight with the beings on your bodies, which of course includes demons, and only then can you calm down. But how much time do you have to do this?

Practitioner Su recently lectured: 'I am a Buddha! There is no past, no future, only the one Buddha-name chanted to the end!' This is like a heavy medicine for demons! If everyone did this, it would overturn all the demons. Because demons use the fact that people have a past, a future, and a present to use their demon nature to control and disturb people. Who doesn't have a past? Originally, you could say that out of 100 people, 100 have a past. But Practitioner Su appeared, and some people listened. So, I changed my statement: out of 100 people, 99 have a past, and one does not have a past, and that person is saved and can realise their true nature and become a Buddha! This is too difficult.

In these 'Eight Consciousnesses and Fifty-One Mental Factors,' all your pasts are stored. You have consciousness at all times! Your eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body—all your discriminations, preferences, views, personalities, and attachments enter into consciousness. Everyone lives by consciousness; only Practitioner Su lives by wisdom.

The Wisdom of the Buddha

Now Practitioner Su tells you this method, which truly scared us! This is something only a person of great wisdom can say. Because if a person really does this, this person is a Buddha! Demons cannot attack a Buddha, and karmic creditors cannot find a Buddha to collect debts, so many karmic creditors find Practitioner Su, who has a body, to collect debts. But Practitioner Su is also a Buddha, so they are trained and know there is a Western Land of Dharma Nature to go to. Of course, smart and wise karmic creditors also want to go to the Dharma-Nature Land. Then congratulations to you all. I see that the karmic creditors on the fourfold assembly at Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre have all been trained by Practitioner Su to be wise; hurry and grasp the present moment to go to the Dharma-Nature Land!

Therefore, whether it is the beings in the bones, internal organs, or muscles, or even the nerves, if you are a little smarter, or if you have heard Practitioner Su's lectures, you will know your current identity and role. You are also beings carrying karma, and you are in the position of seeking revenge; it is very bitter! If you go to the Dharma-Nature Land, you will not suffer anymore! It is strange; now I can also say the word 'bitter.' In the past, I did not agree with this word and did not take it to heart, but now I feel it is a truly factual reality.

I see the beings on the muscles now; how do they interfere with muscle function? You often have soreness or pain in certain places, or even bones and knees that are not easy to bend, and it hurts when you bend them. Or, when you prostrate to the Buddha, your feet cannot stretch backward. Regarding these problems, looking at the situation at the time, the beings inside are exerting great effort, using all their strength and spirit, not letting your bones stretch properly to do the movements they should do. So you will feel it is very strenuous. Even, if the beings spread out on the muscles in large numbers, emitting resentment and murky energy, of course, you will feel pain! Because beings are formless, but they have a negative energy. Therefore, the nerves receive negative energy, which weakens the function of the nerves, and the nerves are stimulated, sending out pain messages, and you cannot exert force. This situation is very easy to see. Our demon eyes can see your insides, and I believe Practitioner Su can also see it. So I can know where your body's problems appear. I am just taking this opportunity to say it.

The Root of the Problem

If beings make your thoughts and ideas bad, and you often know it is bad but cannot help but think about it, thinking constantly—why is this? Because when your bad thoughts first appear, they have already stirred your karmic creditors, who then surround your thoughts. In fact, thoughts cannot be found or seen. But karmic creditors have a way; once they are stirred in the moment, they emit that resentment and hatred to retaliate against you, which can turn your thoughts into the same as theirs. If the beings on your eyes and face are like this, your eyes and face will immediately emit a look of resentment and retaliation. At the same time, the beings in your mouth cooperate, making you say bad things and look at things in a bad way. At that time, how do you have the ability to turn it into something good and kind? When the power and desire for revenge of the beings are strong, you have no way to be the master, and you have no ability to parry.

Therefore, the high-level part of the Buddha's teachings is 'putting in the work from the heart.' I remember the first time I heard Practitioner Su talk about 'giving rise to all roots of goodness and achieving the fruit of Bodhi,' I was trembling all over. I trembled because I only then realised that the Buddha's teachings are so high-level! Because if you meet such a person, our demonic power and the karmic power of karmic creditors cannot be used at all. This goodness is pure and good; we cannot grasp that first thought of evil. Without the first beginning of evil, there is no subsequent thinking of evil, doing evil, or saying evil. If you want to practice, you really have to do it this way so that you will not be interfered with by karmic power or demons. This is the point; you must listen clearly.

The beginning of the first thought of evil is very difficult to grasp because your awareness is not enough. You have many evil thoughts coming out, demons coming out, and beings coming out. Only then do you feel that this thought of yours is not good. It is too late! We have already joined in! Adding fire to your fire, the fire has to spread! Fire burns the forest of merit! It is a pity that you usually do a lot, and you are so tired that your eyes are closed, but you still have to continue to do things. By then, just a few words, this look in your eyes, this expression, turns all your merit into ashes.

Although it sounds very miserable, I feel that you fourfold assembly are often in this situation. It is just that there is a difference between small fire, medium fire, and big fire. Small fire and medium fire are often burning in your hearts; outsiders may not see it, but this cannot be hidden from karmic creditors and demons, nor can it be hidden from Practitioner Su, and even less from Namo Amituofo and Teacher Xia Lianju. The patriarchs and venerable masters see it clearly; it is just that you are deceiving yourselves.

The Fundamental Method

Therefore, the most fundamental method is still to start from that initial thought; that is prescribing the right medicine, putting in the work from the heart. But if you want this thought not to appear, you must usually be a good person, speak good words, do good things, look at good things, and think good thoughts to be able to turn the evil roots on your body into roots of goodness, turn them into good, so that evil thoughts cannot come out, so that you can avoid attracting karmic creditors and demons, and only then can you enter pure and good states.

Otherwise, you talk about a bunch of theories, but as long as you cannot grasp that thought, we appear, and everything is overturned, and you have to start from the beginning. Why did I have such a thought just now? Did I get angry or have hatred? These shames, these regrets, of course, are not bad, and of course, you have to start from the beginning, but how much time do you have? It should have been repeated countless times; which time did you succeed in changing? This is why I tell you to change your personality, and no one changes. In fact, it is not that you don't change, but that you often have small fires, so how can there be no fire? I don't know if you understand what I am saying?

To be honest, demons are very good at grasping fire; otherwise, how could we be demons? Because that fire is our energy. You consume your own energy and turn it into fire, which just happens to be our energy. Of course, everyone will be careful to grasp the first thought, the initial thought; that energy is the most precious and strongest. Therefore, there are attached beings, demons, and countless karmic creditors on your bodies around you at all times, grasping your handles. Can you protect yourselves? If you want to protect yourselves, it is too easy for us to succeed. Because not one of you has good Buddha-chanting skills, except for Practitioner Su. Only the power of the Buddha can block our entry into the body or the manifestation of karmic power, or the entry of attached beings into the body. This is where the Buddha is powerful.

The Treasure Before Your Eyes

Every time the Buddha teaches, he tells you to chant the Buddha's name, but you treat it as wind passing by your ears and do not take it seriously. And this is a very thorough method of solving problems. What kind of person is a Buddha? Even demons have to surrender. Ancient demons of 7,000 or 8,000 sextillion years have to surrender at the Buddha's feet. But people let the Buddha's words go in one ear and out the other. Many demons are clapping and cheering. Clearly, the door in front of you is open, and you can see gold and silver mountains; countless treasures are right in front of you, and you can easily grasp them and use them for a lifetime, but you walk past the treasures without even looking.

The ones who benefit are the beings in the spirit realm! Beings in the spirit realm know suffering, so they listen to the Buddha's words. This is what Practitioner Su often says: ghost realm beings listen until they cry, and we demons and many beings in the Dharma-Nature Land are listening to the Dharma on our knees, while you who are present are listening until you are swaying. It can be seen that you are no longer yourselves; you have all been possessed. Some have the faces of demons, and some have the faces of karmic creditors.

Our demon eyes see your situation clearly, and Practitioner Su uses the Buddha's eyes to see and hear everything. When you chant sutras, we are also chanting along, not idle, chanting more seriously than you. Because since listening to the sutras and hearing the Dharma can let us know what Practitioner Su means, many can echo with the sutras, so we can understand at a glance and understand at a solution. This saves us demons and can also help us become Buddhas.

The Reality of the Body

As for the beings in the bones, many are gnawing on your bones. Because their hearts are still resentful. Although you study the Buddha, chant the Buddha, and prostrate to the Buddha, you have not entered the heart, which means beings are still beings, demons are still demons, and attachments are still attachments. If there is a change, you think you can listen to a few more unpleasant words, but by the fourth sentence, you are still angry. This is still called no change. Truly changing means that no matter if the other party says one, 100, 1,000, or 10,000 unpleasant words, you can not get angry and can also change your own mistakes. It is easy to say, but it is really not easy to do.

So, think about it yourself, have you changed? How many people have changed? So, as Practitioner Su just said, you now want to think: 'I am a Buddha! There is no past, no future, only the one Buddha-name chanted to the end!' This is indeed a very good method to deal with your problems. Because you really cannot bear the past. Inside the bones are beings, and inside the muscles are beings. If you think badly, speak badly, and do badly, they will wake up, and this has become a habit, which is very difficult to change, so the body is truly riddled with holes and has really been used by beings.

As for the beings on the nerves, there are even more, often very painful and sore; they are all beings on the nerves. Another phenomenon is that some beings on the muscles, bones, and nerves seem to be anaesthetised and have not woken up yet. Be careful! Do not let them wake up; if they wake up, you cannot bear it. The soreness and pain are not just in this place; the symptoms worsen, and other places you cannot even imagine follow suit. When everyone appears together, the body cannot parry, cannot bear it, and you die! So you say, is the body valuable? Practitioner Su's words make a lot of sense: the body is not valuable! After death, it is cremated and gone, leaving only ashes. But the things done in the past have created a lot of karma, leaving a pile of debt that follows your spirit. Your spirit is so bitter! No wonder so many spirits are all bitter.

A Final Suggestion

In fact, demons are also spirits and are also bitter, but no one teaches them. Even if someone teaches them, they cannot listen, because the person teaching says things that are not painful or itchy and do not hit the key points. Demons sometimes go to Buddha temples to listen to sutras and hear the Dharma, listening to the monastics speak. But most of them talk about clichés, so the demons leave. If what they hear hits the key points, knows us clearly, and leaves us nowhere to escape, we have encountered such a speaker, like Practitioner Su, for the first time.

No wonder, when the 'Magic Law' encountered the Buddha for the first time 7,900 sextillion years ago, it still couldn't forget the Buddha 7,900 sextillion years later. The Buddha is a very brilliant teacher. However, it depends on whether you have the karmic fortune to meet the Buddha. If you can meet the Buddha, you can be saved! This is Hanta's observation and a small suggestion.

Buddhists and practitioners, if you want to practice well, develop skills, be able to have your own abilities, not be interfered with by karmic power, karmic creditors, and demons, and be able to be autonomous, you must grasp these two points: First, 'I am a Buddha! There is no past, no future, only the one Buddha-name chanted to the end!' That is, living in the present moment; this is truly hitting the nail on the head. Then, 'give rise to all roots of goodness and achieve the fruit of Bodhi,' then no karmic power will manifest, no karmic creditors will be stirred, and demons will be helpless. If you can keep doing this, then the future will be bright! If you hear it and are stirred again, and your heart moves, and then you return to your original state, then it is useless! But human nature is like this, easy to forget. Therefore, I often hear Namo Amituofo, Teacher Xia Lianju, and Practitioner Su repeating their reminders, seeing which time can wake you up, and then you will be saved! I am truly grateful to them.

Why did I have such feelings and say these words? To be honest, many Buddha's teachings, Hanta did not understand the first time, but I did not think about it; I just don't like to think. Listening to the second time, it seems I understood a little, and after understanding, I put it down and didn't think about it. The third time, it seems I got it and understood. After that, I followed the words and did it, and didn't that save myself!

However, the place where I am now is called the Western Land of Dharma Nature, where Buddha-light shines everywhere at all times, which has some advantages over you, that is, you have bodies and are interfered with by beings at all times. You are all very smart and react very quickly; your head activity is too fast, so it just allows demons to exert force and do evil. Although you are very smart, you still cannot grasp that first thought and still have no awareness, because you have not 'given rise to all roots of goodness and achieved the fruit of Bodhi.' You often have to wait until you suffer to be surprised and want to change, but distant water cannot save near fire.

So, Practitioner Su, your lectures on the Dharma have truly benefited us in the Dharma-Nature Land a lot. Today, taking advantage of being interviewed, I revealed a little of my heart and found that I seem to have learned a little bit. Every word and every sentence of Practitioner Su, I have not yet had the chance to get it or be enlightened; if I could understand every sentence, that would be amazing, and perhaps I would have become a Buddha. Therefore, I am purifying here, purifying the filth all over my body. As long as I understand one point, I purify one point, and my spirit gains one point of wisdom. When I understand everything, have insights into everything, and follow everything, then I can become a Buddha.

I hope the monastics who listen to the Dharma today can also understand and be able to do it. I believe in people's wisdom, that they can understand, but to do it, they must be able to withstand the tests of karmic creditors and demons. Passing this level will show whether you understand and can do it. Passing it means you have progressed, and demons will naturally touch their noses and leave your body because this body does not match them.

Perhaps higher-level people can subdue the demons and karmic creditors on their bodies, let them be purified, and even let them realise their true nature and become Buddhas. This is truly amazing! If so, they can realise their true nature, because they have no interference from beings, can subdue demonic enemies, subdue and transform beings and demons, and let them also be pure and good and become Buddhas. In this way, they realise their true nature themselves and can also have countless manifestations; such a human body is too useful. Not only saving themselves but also saving countless beings, and countless manifestations are saving immeasurable beings.

Therefore, listening to the sutras and hearing the Dharma is quite important, which can save yourself and sentient beings. In fact, lecturing on the Dharma is the Buddha saving everyone. If you can listen, and do it without doubt, you will one day be able to realise your true nature and become a Buddha, just like the Buddha. This is also the Buddha's hope. The human realm is too bitter. This sentence does not seem to be said by a demon. Ah! I can no longer classify myself as a demon; I am already in the Dharma-Nature Land.

One more thing, the Dharma spoken by Practitioner Su at Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre cannot be heard anywhere else; this is skill, compassion, and the accumulation of merit and majestic power. Practitioner Su has delivered too many demons. Practitioner Su is not a karmic body! He is not here to save himself; he is here to save sentient beings, saving many beings who have karmic affinity with him, including demons.

I will stop here today. Thank you Namo Amituofo, thank you Teacher Xia Lianju, thank you Practitioner Su, thank you everyone, for letting Demon Hanta have the opportunity to say these words. I hope it can be of a little help to everyone's practice, and I will be very comforted.

Namo Amituofo.

Demon Hanta