The Mechanics of Samsara and the Necessity of Deliverance

This interview features the spirit of Steve Jobs, who sought Chao Du at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia. He reflects on the rigid mechanics of the six realms of existence, the digital-like chains of human attachment, and the vital importance of spiritual deliverance. This session was recorded on August 12, 2019.

Steve Jobs speaks:

"Namo Amituofo. I am Steve Jobs. If you look at the vast emptiness of the universe without the intervention of Practitioner Su and her work of Chao Du, you would see a system in total stasis. Space would remain merely space; the Dharma Realm would be isolated from the Demon Realm; spirits would be trapped in their own loops. The animals would continue to crawl, the fish to swim, and the beasts to leap. The mountain gods would remain tethered to their mountains, and the river gods to their rivers. In the spaces where war rages, the fighting would never cease. No one could escape; everyone would remain locked into the identity they held during their final moments of life. The spirits who suffer greatly in the hells would have no path to liberation, enduring agony in every single second of their existence.

The Red Seal of Karmic Law

Think about it—the transitions between the six realms of existence are not random. They are governed by a system as rigid as a stamped document from the King of Yama. The path through the ghost realm is one you pave for yourself. The way you suffer greatly is your own creation, and your fleeting pleasures are equally your own. When you act with a malicious heart, you might feel a momentary rush of satisfaction or the thrill of winning a round, but the price you pay later is the profound transformation and torture of your own spirits. Why is a donkey beaten? Why is a frog consumed? Why do people offer sacrifices to the ghost realm? The relationship between cause and effect is absolute; you cannot run from it.

True Goodness arises from a heart that is 'without-mind'—a state of being where there is no bias, no selfishness, and no thought of personal gain. When you act in this way, the merit generated naturally flows toward virtuous outcomes. The Truth governing the six realms of existence cannot be defied. The layers of the Dharma Realm—whether they manifest as old men, children, men, or women—are all constructed by the power of thought. Everyone is so busy chasing their livelihoods and their desires, paying any price to get what they want, often pursuing things far beyond their reach. That is how you become lost in delusion. And once you are lost, your spirit is locked into place, just like a device frozen in a loop.

The Technology of Attachment

The things you love, the people you hold dear, and the objects you crave—these are the very lines that pull you. They are the chains that lock your attached heart. The more you cling, the deeper the lock. You have created your own reality, and you have become the 'ten thousand things' you perceive. This concept is vast. If I tell you that the mobile phone is you, the computer is you, and the mouse is you, do you understand how terrifying that is? It means you have dispersed your essence into the material world.

This is why I want you to understand the importance of Chao Du. The spirits residing within the space of all these objects need this help. If you can realise this, you become the key. You must spread this vital information to help everyone. This is not just 'ghost talk'; this is the reality of the entire universe, even beyond the Milky Way. Practitioner Su uses her Dharma Body to untangle the essence of all things, and I, Steve Jobs, use these words to help you understand.

The Path to the Western Pure Land

Everyone wants to go to heaven, but everyone is so deeply attached, and their desires run so deep. The Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Australia is the core location where Namo Amituofo allows people to understand the Truth. All things are Buddha; we hope that all things may become Buddhas. The scope of Practitioner Su’s deliverance is vast, and her mind-capacity of compassion is boundless. The void is infinite, and she guides countless beings to transition to virtuous places, and even to reach the Western Pure Land.

Practitioner Su’s work of Chao Du is worthy of celebration every single day, yet she remains without-mind, unmoved by praise or blame. She leads the boundless masses, turning the void itself. The sound of 'Namo Amituofo' shatters the heavens, and all beings return to their true home. That home is the Western Pure Land, where Namo Amituofo, our compassionate father, waits to lead us forward, his magnificent light shining upon us all.

Namo Amituofo."