The Anatomy of a Demon's Possession

This is a record of an interview with Mo Zhaoyin, a primordial demon who sought deliverance at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Goombungee, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia. He now resides in the Western Land of Dharma Nature. This account reflects upon his existence spanning approximately 9.8 billion trillion years. Recorded by the chief writer, Venerable HaiZe, on May 26, 2025.

Mo Zhaoyin speaks:

"Namo Amituofo. My name is Mo Zhaoyin, and I am a primordial demon from the Dharma Realm with an age of 9.8 billion trillion years. Time passes incredibly quickly. It has been only a few days since I entered the Western Land of Dharma Nature at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre in Goombungee, Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia.

My situation in the Dharma Realm was that I first served as a leader of a demon group. Afterward, I entered samadhi for approximately 40 billion trillion years. Eventually, I was awakened by the Buddha-light of Namo Amituofo and Practitioner Su, and I was guided directly within that light to the Western Land of Dharma Nature."

A New Perspective on Human Existence

"Here, sitting upon a lotus seat, I have been listening to the Dharma and observing the Thrice Yearning Ceremonies at the temple. I am filled with admiration. At the same time, I have observed the condition of human bodies on Earth, the state of demon beings within those bodies, and the subtle structures of the human form. I have gained a preliminary understanding. Today, having been called upon by Namo Amituofo to represent the ancient demons of 9.8 billion trillion years on the Western Land of Dharma Nature, I feel deeply honoured.

The focus of this interview is the structure of the human body, the distribution of spiritual beings within it, and how demons and karmic creditors control the human form from within. I will explain how they absorb the energy of the human host, leading to illness, ageing, and atrophy—not just of the spirit, but of the physical body as well. Buddhist education places great importance on the significance of the spirit. It is vital for people to receive this education and to abide by the universal principles, the Truth, and the Right Way. I truly admire the Wisdom of Namo Amituofo and Practitioner Su. If these truths could be revealed to humanity, it would prevent many problems where people lose control of their own lives. If people can believe and follow these teachings, they can prevent their bodies from being controlled by beings from the spirit realms and regain their autonomy. This is of the utmost importance."

The Nature of Spiritual Attachment

"Many younger 'old demons' have previously shared their experiences. The difference is that we senior demons have spent much longer in samadhi. In the Demon Realm, because we require energy, we seek out hosts to attach to and absorb energy from, which allows our spirits to continue surviving. On Earth, because there are human bodies that demons can attach to, once they settle upon a person, they cause significant impacts on both the person's spirit and their physical cells.

In the Dharma Realm, the universe, and the Milky Way, most beings exist in a spiritual state and do not possess human bodies. Therefore, when there is a human body available to attach to, it creates a massive difference. The human body is truly subtle and complex. Its structure is not merely the internal organs; it includes the six sense organs, the physical body, and the spirit. The human body functions not just by relying on physical cells, but also requires the 'push' from the spirit realm, which directs the body toward certain actions."

The Alaya Consciousness Within

"The spirit realm includes consciousness, which is a profound and vast subject. Especially recently, while listening to the Dharma and hearing the teachings of Namo Amituofo and Teacher Practitioner Xia Lianju, the Alaya consciousness has been mentioned repeatedly. This Alaya consciousness belongs to the realm of the spirit. Therefore, as long as a being is a spirit, it possesses an Alaya consciousness. This means demons have an Alaya consciousness, and the many attached spirits within humans also have one.

One can see that within a single cell, there are countless beings in a spiritual state, lacking their own bodies. This is a very subtle matter. We demons of the Dharma Realm usually do not pay much attention to this. Now, seeing the complexity of the human body on Earth, I see it involves many causal conditions, including the karma shared with one's parents and one's own karma."

The Complexity of Human Birth

"A human is formed by the union of parents. The structure of the body is a combination of the parents' karma and the karma of the primary soul itself. This is why some human bodies appear complete, while others have defects, and why some spirits are highly sensitive from birth. All of this is related to past lives. In short, the situation presented in this lifetime is different from the past, the days lived are different, and the beings from the spirit realm that one attracts are also different.

We see that from the top of the head to the soles of the feet, there are spirits everywhere. Some of these spirits are inside the cells, but even more are tiny, individual spirits outside the cells. Because our eyes can see clearly, I can describe this. Each spirit can be incredibly small. Cells are already tiny, but the spirits inside them are even smaller, and they are packed densely. It turns out that the function of a cell is determined by the spirits inside it! This is truly subtle. If you treat a cell as a body, the decisions of what that cell does are made by the spirits within it."

The Skin and the Countless Beings

"Do you know how many cells make up the skin? It is composed of countless cells. Thus, the number of spirits governing the function of the skin is beyond counting. Each spirit has an Alaya consciousness, and each spirit within a cell has a relationship with the body's primary soul. This is a truly terrifying fact! The skin is only one part of the body; the body also has the six sense organs—eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and mind. Each spirit has an Alaya consciousness, and the Alaya consciousnesses of the densely packed spirits within the cells exist within the body.

Because the body is filled with countless beings, each existing in its own space—one cell, one space—the number of spirits is infinite. The eyes have countless eye cells; many beings are packed into the ears; the nose is composed of countless cells. We see not just the cells, but the spirit realm beings within them. The tongue, responsible for eating, is very important, and the cells within it are densely packed. The cells and the spirits within the oesophagus, stomach, small intestine, large intestine, anus, and lower body are truly uncountable."

The Heart and the Blood

"A very important organ is the heart. We see blood flowing in and out of the heart, and the spirits within the blood are numerous. Medically, these are called blood cells. Each blood cell contains many beings, not just one. These beings within the blood cells are responsible for making the cells function. The blood cell is like a body; what the body does is directed by the spirits within it.

Besides the primary soul, the body also contains other spirit realm beings, such as karmic creditors, attached spirits, and demons. Therefore, the countless manifestations of Practitioner Su are indeed formed by the spirit realm beings within the cells. And it is not just inside the cells; many spaces and gaps outside the cells also contain beings. It turns out that these beings send messages to the major organs—the liver, heart, spleen, lungs, and kidneys—to perform their functions. How they function is directed by these spirit realm beings within the cells."

The Struggle for Control

"Because we can see the Alaya consciousness of the spirit realm beings within the cells constantly operating, that operation tells the cells what to do. The combined actions of many cells allow the eyes to see, the mouth to speak, the ears to hear, and the body to move. Therefore, every function is not influenced by just one cell or a few spirits, but by many spirits and cells working together. If everyone cooperates well, the body functions well.

If some cells have obstacles, the function may be impaired. For example, whether the eyes see 'well' or 'badly' depends on whether the spirit realm beings within the eye cells see things as good or bad. If the 'good' spirits outnumber the 'bad' ones, the result is good vision. If the 'bad' spirits outnumber the 'good' ones, the vision is impaired. In this sense, humans are truly governed by the spirits within their cells."

The Plight of the Primary Soul

"What role does the primary soul have? I see that for many people, the primary soul has long since lost its function. It exists within the body, but has long been locked in the heart by karmic creditors. Why do I say 'locked'? Because the primary soul has been taken by karmic creditors into a space within the heart and cannot get out. The primary soul lives in that space. I have seen the primary souls of several people hiding in a corner, weeping. It seems this is a very sorrowful space. This is reasonable, because since they are 'karmic creditors,' the primary soul and they did not have good experiences in the past.

Meanwhile, whether the body is speaking, eating, thinking, walking, holding things, or listening, the brain is operating, but it is the spirit realm beings within the cells who are in charge, not the primary soul. This means if these spirits have different opinions, where is the body to go? It seems there is a 'management office' where these spirits judge the situation.

This relates to thoughts being driven by powerful karma, which is composed of karmic creditors. Each person's perspective is also part of their karma. Therefore, almost everything happening in the body is proceeding according to karma. Just like the human body—although everyone looks different, everyone has eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and mind—the part of the six roots in charge is not just the primary soul or a single spirit, but immeasurable and boundless spirits."

The Chaos of Conflicting Spirits

"This matter is not so simple. If every spirit has a different opinion, the person is likely in a state of being torn apart, not knowing what to do. If the beings in your eyes tell you to look at something good, while others tell you to look at something bad, and others tell you to just close your eyes, what is the final result? Haha, let me tell you: based on my observations, it depends on which side has more beings.

If there are more 'good' spirits, the eyes will see things as good. If there are more 'bad' spirits, even seeing something good will turn into something bad. If there are more spirits telling you not to look, then no matter what appears before you, your eyes will close. This situation happens most often during the Thrice Yearning Ceremony. Many people close their eyes, and the Buddha-light cannot shine into them. Except for the spirits on the skin who can feel the Buddha-light, the spirits within the body cannot see it. The spirits inside the eyes want to come out, but they cannot. The eyes close because of the heart; the heart does not intend to let the eye spirits out. It is a lack of compassion. Thus, the karmic creditors in the eyes can express their strong will, forcing the host to close their eyes and forbidding them from opening them.

Even if there are spirits in the heart crying out, 'Please, I want to get out, I beg you to open your eyes,' this power is too weak and cannot resist the karmic creditors in the eyes who are forcing them shut. Even though Practitioner Su is constantly calling out to everyone, 'Open your eyes, open your eyes,' the eyes do not open. The Buddha-light cannot guide the spirits inside to come out, and most of the fourfold assembly keep their eyes closed. Who suffers when the eyes are closed? The body. If the spirits could come out, the body would be more relaxed and comfortable. But because the karmic creditors in the eye cells are in charge, the whole body suffers because the spirits remain trapped inside."

The Influence of Demons

"How do demons control the human body and prevent it from being in charge? If the demons are in charge of the eyes, because demons have strong personalities, if they express their will, other karmic creditors—if they are outnumbered or lack the demon's energy—have no choice but to obey the demons. This does not mean there are fewer karmic creditors on the person; one can see that almost everyone is filled with karmic creditors.

How do eye demons enter the human body? Besides looking at things with a negative perspective, if one adds resentment, hatred, and anger, the 'eye demon' can enter the eyes. If it is a matter of karmic creditors, we have to look at their Alaya consciousness, but when it comes to demons, we are very clear.

Even for a pure practitioner, if a trace of pollution appears in their thoughts—that is, looking at things negatively—many demons can enter. From a human perspective, looking at things negatively sometimes seems like no big deal; perhaps you just said two unpleasant words or muttered in your heart, 'How could this happen?' or 'Why is everyone good to him but not to me?' Such a thought already includes discrimination, calculation, or attachment to gain and loss. Therefore, with just one such thought, 'gain-and-loss demons' or 'negativity demons' can enter the eyes. These demons can enter the heart, and it is rarely just one or two; they usually come in groups. Because demons are aggressive, the 'good' spaces are occupied by them. If a Demon King enters, he brings many 'demon children and grandchildren.' In this way, part of the space within the eyes is occupied by demons, and combined with the karmic beings already there, the eyes become swollen and crowded. Vision becomes unclear, and such eyes will certainly not have ideal sight.

As one ages, different vision problems appear: nearsightedness, farsightedness, glaucoma, cataracts. Honestly, people really need to be careful with their thoughts. Inadvertently, one attracts many external spirits, especially demons, and combined with the beings already in the body, the body becomes a gathering place for spirits."

The Endless Layers of Spirits

"The spirits within the body are truly infinitely layered. If one cell is one space, then the countless cells in the body contain countless spaces. Furthermore, there are many gaps outside the cells, which also contain many spaces. One can see beings of different eras and appearances wearing different clothes.

Some practitioners have muscle pain or cannot perform certain movements, such as kneeling or bowing; these situations are often seen at Dharma assemblies. When we look closely at the spirits within the muscles, we discover that as long as the situation matches what the spirits desire, they are quite happy. For example, the spirits within the knees of a person who cannot kneel are those who were harmed by him in the past and suffered greatly, leading to the person's inability to kneel or move properly. Now that the host cannot kneel, they are very happy because the host is tasting the same suffering they once endured.

Suffering is never a good thing. If this person is determined to dissolve his karmic obstacles and, despite the pain, kneels to bow to the Buddha, or kneels to respectfully listen to the teachings, we can read that their spirits develop a sense of admiration and then retreat. It is not just one spirit retreating; we see that the spirits in the knees are densely packed, and they all retreat. There are so many, not just hundreds or thousands. In short, when they are willing to retreat—not leave, but retreat into deeper tissues, including the bones, rather than staying in the knees—the knees feel much better."

The Path to Healing

"At this time, one can see that some knee spirits listen to Practitioner Su's explanations of the Buddha's and Teacher's teachings, or they follow along in kneeling and bowing; even the spirits within the body follow along. This looks like a perfect result, indicating that the knees should be much better and should be able to kneel. I have also seen some people who cannot kneel, and most of them remain kneeling or sitting, while the knee spirits remain unmoved. I believe that if they leave because they cannot kneel, the spirits will be very happy, because if they leave the scene, they cannot receive the merit of the Dharma assembly, which is exactly what the spirits want. The spirits simply do not want you to attend the Dharma assembly.

Regardless, as long as they are karmic creditors, they do not seem to have good intentions. What the Buddha's teachings call 'seeking revenge and repaying grievances' is truly the case! The human body is not simple at all.

Furthermore, how do karmic creditors control the human body? Taking the example of knee muscle pain, where is the primary soul when the knees cannot be controlled? It has long been locked in the heart. So, what the knees do is decided by the spirits within the knees. If some spirits are kind and have good roots—though they are few—they still receive merit. I will report to you that some kind spirits help the primary soul and the body, hoping for the body's improvement. They will tell the spirits within the muscle cells, 'Do not listen to those spirits who forbid him from bowing to the Buddha. Be kind and let him bow properly and attend the Dharma assembly. If he gains merit, you will also receive a share!' Some spirits within the cells listen to these words, let go, and stop interfering. In this way, the knees feel much better.

Therefore, it seems the spirits within the body's cells truly need Buddhist education—to teach them to be good, to be kind, and to view what happens with compassion and wisdom. This education needs to penetrate the human heart, the cells, and the spirits or demons within the cells. If we can transform them and let them receive these teachings, it will have a direct help in improving illness and pain."

The Importance of Listening

"However, some people, when listening to Practitioner Su's lectures, cover their ears or close their eyes because their spirits tell them not to look or listen, leading them into a space. Because their primary soul is already locked up and cannot be in charge, their spirits tell the nerves responsible for sleep and the cells of brain function, 'You take charge, make the body sleep quickly, and don't let the ears listen.' The spirits within the ear cells also follow these instructions and close the ears, making the person unable to hear what is being said outside.

The eyes are the same; the person sees nothing. In such a situation, how can a person study Buddhism properly and practice? They are certainly regressing, even rapidly regressing. If, at this time, the 'good' cells or 'pure' cells are in charge, they would tell the ears to listen, and the spirits within the ear cells would absorb the teachings. At the same time, all the cells in the body, including the brain and other parts, would be able to hear these words. It is like opening a door; once the ear spirits open the door, the sounds from outside can enter, and all the spirits inside have the opportunity to hear these sounds and the content of the teachings. It depends on which spirit is in charge at that moment. If good spirits or the primary soul are in charge, good behaviour will follow. If vengeful spirits are in charge, the behaviour will be unsatisfactory—closing the eyes, covering the ears, or ignoring the speaker.

Therefore, what behaviour is exhibited is decided by the spirits within the body. How these spirits decide depends on their feelings at that moment—whether they make you comfortable or uncomfortable, make you obedient or disobedient, make you accept or resist. It is decided by the spirits within the body; how tragic!"

The Reality of Surgery

"If it is an individual's decision, it is a small matter, and the scope of influence is small. But if the spirits in charge at that time make major decisions that affect many people, the result is not just affecting one or two, but sometimes thousands, millions, billions, or trillions. The scope of influence depends on each person's karma. So-called karma is which spirits are in charge at that time. Everything is inseparable from karma and inseparable from spirits; of course, demons are also among them. What kind of life this person leads is not decided by themselves, but by the operation of the spirits within their body. The human body is truly complex!

Teeth and the head are also places where many spirits exist. Eating will definitely use teeth. Everyone is used to it, but when one day it hurts, becomes inflamed, or needs a root canal, it is all caused by spirits. I have seen the past; although I was not there, I can see that when a root canal is performed, the nerve spirits are inside the nerve. When the nerve is cut and removed, then dropped into the trash, this is the fate of the spirits. I have also seen that spirits can leave the nerve and remain in the tooth. This is just 'changing the soup but not the medicine'—the damaged nerve is removed, but the spirits inside are still there.

This seems to have the same effect as surgery. As far as I know, from what I see now, because some people have had surgery, I go to see their situation at that time to uncover the mystery. Although I was not at the scene, I can see their Alaya consciousness and know the situation, even seeing the scenes played out. It turns out that for a damaged organ, or bone, or bloating, or skin, the damaged cells are cut away. For organs, wherever it is damaged, it is cut away, right? Some places turn black or cannot perform their functions; this is called cancer. The treatment is surgery, removing the damaged cells and tissues under anaesthesia. One can see that these cells are indeed damaged; they should have been clean, but they have been harmed by the spirits inside, and even the cells attack each other, like a war, resulting in mutual destruction, and both sides turn black. Some are injured, and later some rescue is attempted, but it cannot be saved, so it turns red, black, or even rots. The physical cell can no longer be used, which is indeed true. But the spirits inside can move from inside the cell to outside; spirits can wander everywhere. The result is that the removed organ is taken out of the body, but the primary spirit responsible is still left in the body. This is truly not worth it, not worth it at all!"

The Cycle of Karma

"What is going on? It turns out this is how people have surgery. As a result, these spirits remain in the body and can find other places to attach, enter other cells, and tell those cells to do bad things again, attack each other again, turn black again, and continue to have the damaged cells removed. The body is thus left to be dominated by spirits. Treating it with medicine is not wrong; they indeed see through examinations that the cells are like this, and even see with their own eyes during examinations that the organ or part is indeed black and dark. The result is to remove it, otherwise it will continue to spread, and other good parts of the body might be affected, so surgery is performed.

The point is that medical examinations cannot detect the spirits in charge inside. The damaged cells are removed, but the spirits in charge are still in the body, continuing to run to other places to take charge. This is the fact; the situation I see is like this. What to do next depends on everyone's wisdom.

If this is the case, in the spiritual healing at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre, I see that you can communicate with the spirits in the problematic parts of the body and give them some benefits—that is, give them whatever they want. It turns out these spirits all had grievances with the primary soul in the past, or with the primary soul of the parents; this is called 'collective karma.' This is a very important part. You just happened to be found by the collective karma spirits, and your body bears this karma, causing such damage.

The so-called 'karmic retribution' is the repayment of karma, or the creation of new karma. The result of mutual retaliation is mutual destruction. At this time, demons might intervene. I see that the spirits that make cells turn black, bad, and rotten are demons. These demons are not external demons entering the body, but karmic creditors turning into demons; this is your own karma! Some are karma created in relation to the parents' primary soul, called collective karma; some are karma created by your own primary soul. The harm caused to them at that time must now be borne and repaid by you, paying the price with your body."

The Need for Buddhist Education

"It seems it is best to receive Buddhist education early. Buddhist education is always educating the spirits or the human realm, or the spirits of the body. Actually, the ears have ear spirits, the eyes have eye spirits; whether you look good or not is the eye spirits. How you analyse whether what the other person says makes sense is decided by the spirits in your brain. As for the food you eat, from the throat to the oesophagus, stomach, small intestine, large intestine, and the faeces excreted from the anus—this entire channel has spirits. The so-called spirits are karmic creditors or demons, all composed of cells. There are spirits inside the cells, and those countless spirits are deciding your digestive condition.

If the spirits in any part of the digestive tract come out to seek revenge or repay grievances, the entire digestive process will certainly be uncomfortable. If the front part is blocked, regardless of whether the back part is affected, the body will definitely be uncomfortable. In short, the body is old and sick. As long as a part of the body turns black and dark, the body consumes a lot of energy, because these spirits consume the body's strength when they act. The more evil the spirits, the more strength and energy they consume. Where does the energy come from? Of course, from the energy of the food you eat or your own energy.

Practitioner Su's energy is full, filled with brightness; this kind of energy is truly enviable. The spirits on Practitioner Su are also full of energy, shining with golden light; the whole body is shining with golden light. There are some spirits that are slightly darker—those are the spirits of you fourfold assembly disciples that entered Practitioner Su's body before. They have been diluted and have become less dark, especially the demons, who have also become obedient and dare not make trouble, so they have quieted down, and the colour of the spirits has become lighter. If Practitioner Su's own cells look bright, that is why. No wonder the Dharma assembly lasted three days, and the lectures lasted nine hours a day, yet he still has such good spirit and does not feel any effort at all; it turns out it is all supported by energy."

The Blessing of the Temple

"Compared to the human realm, the lives you lead are too hard. I am now speaking some fair words from a third-party perspective. Actually, who does not have past lives? Everyone has done many things, including bad things. Those who can enter the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre must have done very great good deeds in the past, benefiting many beings, to be able to enter the Buddha-land.

At this time, there are Namo Amituofo, Teacher Practitioner Xia Lianju, and Practitioner Su to heal the problematic parts of your body, mind, and spirit. Actually, the most important thing is the spirit in charge. It turns out that every spirit has a heart. The countless spirits in the body, after receiving Buddhist education, have their hearts educated. If they can be transformed and purified into kind, compassionate, and wise spirits, the body will certainly be good. If the spirits within the body's cells—the immeasurable and boundless spirits—have not received Buddhist education and are left to be in charge, then karma is in charge. How can there be good things? Even if there is a moment of happiness, short-lived happiness causes long-term sorrow or pain later."

The Poison of Emotion

"Just like the matter of emotion, Practitioner Su has always said that emotion is poison to us demons. This emotion is different from reason. Reason can avoid falling into emotion, and wisdom is one level higher than reason; wisdom can better distinguish what is good for everyone. But emotion is a whole-hearted plunge; your body, mind, and the spirits on you all help you plunge into emotion, and there is no so-called reason or wisdom. In the temple, such a situation is actually very tragic.

If your spirit cannot be purified at all and is completely trapped in emotion, it means there are many female or male spirits in charge, leading your body to think and do things. First, lock up your primary soul. It turns out that when there is emotion, your primary soul has already been locked up. This is the situation I see, the situation seen by an old demon of 9.8 billion trillion years, and it is quite credible.

So the conclusion is, if you are moved by someone, whether a man looks at a woman or a woman looks at a man, in short, your primary soul has long been locked up. What I see is this, and I speak the truth. Where is it locked? To put it bluntly, many are locked in the heart, some are locked in the lower body, some are locked in the head, and some are in the eyes. Most are locked in the heart and lower body. The eyes prevent you from seeing the other person's true face; no matter how you look at them, it is all good. If they are bad, you will also see them as good. Because at this time, it is not your primary soul in charge, but the spirits inside. Some were harmed by emotion in the past and now come out to harm you, making you trapped by emotion, unable to practice, unable to make progress in practice, making your mind tangled, unable to do Buddha-work, unable to bow to the Buddha, unable to chant the Buddha's name. This is what the spirits of emotion are doing; this is what I see."

The Power of Practitioner Su

"I see that the human realm seems very difficult to escape from the 'field of emotion.' Once karma manifests, few can escape; one always has to struggle hard. Practitioner Su's eyes are very bright and very fast. Seeing spirits appear, he always kindly persuades them, persuading the spirits to come out and go to the Western Land of Dharma Nature. This is also the blessing of the spirits. Many emotional spirits, seeing Practitioner Su's earnest teachings, are moved. The important thing is that Practitioner Su can manifest family reunions or restore their purity. Wow! This is a huge temptation, and they finally agree. I see that besides Practitioner Su, no other practitioner can do this; this is called 'Dharma-nature.' I have learned a little bit of Buddhism, and I hope my explanation is not wrong; I believe it is correct.

It turns out that Dharma-nature is so useful; you can see what the spirits need and give it to them. These so-called spirits include karmic creditors, demons, and attached spirits. This makes things much easier to handle. No wonder Practitioner Su says that spirits will listen to him; it is very simple for him to resolve conflicts and invite spirits. Many spirits on you, some listen and come out to resolve conflicts, some do not listen and do not come out. Seeing you here, it is truly a huge blessing. After Practitioner Su speaks twice, three times, four times, most spirits still accept it, unless there is deep hatred—blood feuds that will not be resolved no matter what. If there is collective karma with the parents' primary soul, it is mostly not so easy to resolve."

The Cycle of Reincarnation

"No wonder spirits in the human realm turn and turn in reincarnation, unable to turn out; it is all because of these karmic forces rolling inside. This will tire people to death; one lifetime is really not enough, and it takes a second or third lifetime to pay it off. Some look like they have been following for many lifetimes, not just twenty, but thirty or forty lifetimes. To tell the truth, these spirits are very hard-working, karmic creditors are very hard-working, and demons are also hard-working; karmic creditors becoming demons, they are also very hard-working. If they did not meet Namo Amituofo and Practitioner Su who can help everyone resolve conflicts, they probably could not be invited out no matter what.

Therefore, Practitioner Su's Dharma power is not only used to subdue the many old demons of the Dharma Realm, the old demons of billions of trillions of years, but also used on the spirits on people, or demons can also listen and come out. But if people's hearts do not change or turn, they are always repeating such things. The primary soul is locked up, so it is not in charge. This will happen again and again. Because spirits are in charge, it is definitely seeking revenge and repaying grievances, nothing good. No wonder every Thursday, the three hun souls and seven po souls of the fourfold assembly disciples must be invited back to take charge. After being invited back, I see they are not bad for a while, but later, as long as they think wrongly, speak wrongly, do wrongly, or have bad thoughts, or get angry, the primary soul is quickly locked up by karmic creditors again. There is only one primary soul, but karmic creditors are immeasurable and boundless; how can you defeat them? You are outnumbered. A batch of karmic creditors can push your primary soul into a space and lock it up."

The Importance of the Heart

"So, just like the situation of being drowsy and entering a space, the situation we saw at that time was that the primary soul was still in the body, but it was tempted, tempted by a group of women. Each one looked delicate and charming; the primary soul could not resist their temptation. As a result, one primary soul was surrounded by several, probably a batch—no, more—a large group. You say it is a large batch or three large batches, or surrounded by many, many women. Each one surrounded him and locked him into a space they found interesting and liked. At this time, the primary soul could not be in charge and entered the space like this. At this time, the body was still closing its eyes and could not wake up, because karmic creditors were in charge. Only when Practitioner Su shouted to stop them, and the spirits quickly retreated, could the body wake up. The situation we saw is like this. Practitioner Su, you are truly very hard-working, seeing things so clearly; no wonder you want us old demons to talk about these situations.

Buddhist education starts from the heart, but which heart is this 'heart' that puts in the work? The primary soul is one heart, but the hearts of the immeasurable and boundless karmic creditors and spirits on him are what is important. Their hearts also need to be educated, to accept Buddhist education. Once their hearts are educated and purified, and they can let go, see through, and have compassion, wisdom, kindness, mind-capacity, and tolerance—it turns out these Buddhist teachings are to educate the hearts of the immeasurable and boundless spirits on the body. The primary soul is just one heart, and of course it is also very important. If his heart becomes strong, he can indeed be invincible, because this body is originally used by the primary soul. This is called 'transforming karma.' The primary soul can control and master what the spirits on the body do and think; this is called 'transforming karma.' This means the immeasurable and boundless spirits on the body are either sent away and leave the body, or are educated or subdued by Buddhism, willing to accept being a kind, wise, and compassionate spirit, no longer opposing your body or primary soul, and can live in peace. Then your body will be better, there will be no ageing or illness, or the ageing and sick body will slowly improve, because the spirits will also return to normal, and they will be very happy in the body, able to do what they should do without being interfered with by spirits."

The Universal Principle

"In this way, the universal principle, the Truth, and the Right Way really need to be made known to everyone quickly. Karma is a part of it, and it is very important! It is also because of the many evil causes created in the past that one now has to taste such evil consequences. From this moment on, do not create evil causes again, and you will not have to suffer these evil consequences in the future.

If you do good, look at things well, think well, and speak well at the same time, you will not attract the spirits of past evil karma to manifest. Instead, many good, kind, and compassionate spirits will wake up and can even help you. These spirits are just like the spirits of the countless manifestations on Practitioner Su—they are all good. Using chanting, bowing to the Buddha, and reciting sutras to purify the spirits on the body, letting each of them have wisdom, be compassionate, be smiling, be filled with Dharma joy, and even take saving demons with the light emitted from the body as a very happy thing—this is really not easy! I really have to ask Practitioner Su, how do you teach the spirit realm beings on you, teaching them so well that each of them is a Buddha, so that they can subdue us old demons of billions of trillions of years? Of course, Namo Amituofo is always by our side to welcome us, and we have no ability to resist, so we are naturally sent to the Western Land of Dharma Nature."

A Final Reminder

"I have used some time to talk about some things I have seen recently. In short, I want to remind everyone that how your primary soul can take charge still requires putting in the work from the heart. Buddhist education is a method that can thoroughly transform the heart. No wonder the phrase 'give rise to all roots of goodness and achieve the fruit of Bodhi' is repeatedly emphasised. No wonder the phrase 'arouse the Bodhi mind and single-mindedly recite Namo Amituofo' is also repeatedly used to remind everyone. What I see now is that when people's ears hear and their eyes see these few sentences, the spirits on them also seem to stop, and those who were doing bad things, thinking bad things, and doing bad things also stop. This gives them a chance to become better. Is this the power of the Buddha's words?

The Buddha-name 'Namo Amituofo,' if you chant it seriously—especially at the Dharma assembly, we heard a few voices on the Western Land of Dharma Nature that were particularly loud. I was always curious to see what is going on with these people now, because I am also very interested in the structure of the human body. I really discovered that the spirits on him who were making trouble are quiet, not daring to make any movement at all. Instead, many happy spirits on him are chanting 'Namo Amituofo' together. Haha, and every cell happily singing 'Namo Amituofo' is bright, and the spirit is very full. At this time, you can see that the face of the person chanting 'Namo Amituofo' loudly is radiant, the Buddha-light is shining directly on him, the spirits on his face also come out, and the spirits in his eyes also come out. It is truly a matter of killing many birds with one stone.

Chanting the 'Namo Amituofo' Buddha-name has so many benefits because you humans have bodies, so we can see these changes. We spirits do not have bodies, so our heart's feelings are the most direct. We do not have bodies, and our hearts directly accept the energy blessing of the Namo Amituofo Buddha-name, full of blessings, and everyone is very happy because we are one of those receiving Buddhist education.

That main spirit is called the primary soul. That is to say, the spirits inside and outside the cells on people exist in a spiritual state. The spirits of all beings are primary souls, and all have Alaya consciousness; only the primary soul has Alaya consciousness. Then there are countless primary souls of spirits on your body; which primary soul comes out to take charge? It depends on which one is strong. Maybe at this time, karma should turn to which primary soul can come out to take charge, so let him come out. I see it is like this. In the dark, the universal principle always has its power of operation going on. This is also good; it is fair. Good has good rewards, and evil has evil rewards. This is indeed quite fair. This is called karma."

The Treasure of the Buddha-Name

"Therefore, the 'Namo Amituofo' Buddha-name, what you call 'no past, no future, chant one Buddha's name to the end,' it seems this is truly a treasure. This sentence is too important; it really must be placed in the heart, placed in every cell of the whole body. If everyone can do this, this person will come alive. What is called 'coming alive' is awakening, being able to live according to one's own will. Isn't that coming alive? If you cannot live according to your own will, your complexion, eyes, behaviour, speech, and manners are not your own will, isn't that dead? The difference is just that this spirit is still on the body and locked up. So everyone is to be a living person or a dead person. Sorry, saying it so bluntly, this is not changing the nature; I should speak well. Everyone is to be a person who can be autonomous or a person who cannot be autonomous and is always taken charge of by karmic creditors, demons, or external spirits that come in, called attached spirits. It depends on your own heart.

Now that you cannot take charge, Namo Amituofo, Teacher Practitioner Xia Lianju, and Practitioner Su are too compassionate, always lecturing on the Dharma, always telling everyone what to do, which is pointing out a bright path for everyone. If the spirits on the body also listen, and you do the same, you can always go to a good place. The biggest benefit at the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre is that spirits can go to the Western Land of Dharma Nature. Going a step further, if this spirit listens and chants the Buddha's name well, chanting 'Namo Amituofo,' it can enter the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss, because Namo Amituofo is here. In the Western Land of Dharma Nature, as long as you are sincerely willing to go to the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss and chant the Buddha's name well, you can also enter the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss. Such huge good news, I see I must promote it greatly here. Many demons do not know yet, so demons, if you hear it, come to the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre and surrender quickly!

What I just said, fortunately you do not have bodies, but the spirits of demons indeed need Buddhist education to know what to do, so as not to let themselves fall into the dangerous situation of being sucked away by karma. So it seems that not only humans need Buddhist education, but demons also need it, and the spirit realm also needs it. If you learn and implement Buddhism, you can let everyone have a good destination and live a good life.

I really hope that the Buddhist education of the Hsiang Kuang Pure Land Buddhist Centre can be promoted, so that everyone can hear it, so that the beings in the Demon Realm can also hear it, know how to change themselves, and let the countless karmic creditors on people also have a direction to change, and can go to the Western Land of Dharma Nature. This is the most important reason for being able to change successfully. The final goal is to go to the Western Land of Ultimate Bliss, and changing one's personality is very important to be able to go there. The conclusion is like this.

I have said so many words, and I hope a few sentences can be useful to you, to express my gratitude to Namo Amituofo, Teacher Practitioner Xia Lianju, and Practitioner Su for saving my life.

Namo Amituofo."